Is it possible to create weightless rotors using magnetic fields?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of creating weightless rotors using magnetic fields, particularly in the context of electric motors and braking systems. Participants explore theoretical ideas and applications related to eddy currents, magnetic fields, and motor design.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes an electric motor design with 8 identical poles and an iron core rotor, suggesting it could achieve weightlessness due to magnetic forces.
  • Another participant challenges the idea of a weightless rotor, asserting that iron has weight and questioning the feasibility of the concept.
  • Some participants discuss the application of eddy currents in no-contact braking systems, acknowledging their existing use in technology.
  • A participant suggests that the rotor could be weightless if a strong enough magnetic field is applied, specifically mentioning high Tesla values.
  • Concerns are raised about the need for rigorous calculations and a solid understanding of physics and engineering principles to evaluate such ideas effectively.
  • There is a suggestion that current motor designs utilize both attraction and repulsion, and a motor that only attracts may not perform as effectively.
  • One participant expresses a desire to work on the project despite doubts and acknowledges the need for further physical proof of their ideas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the feasibility of creating weightless rotors or the validity of the proposed concepts. There are multiple competing views regarding the application of magnetic fields and the principles of motor design.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for a strong physics and engineering background to evaluate the proposed ideas, indicating that some concepts may extend beyond current scientific understanding.

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Hello
I had an idea a while ago
If we have an electric motor with 8 poles where all poles are the same (north or south) 360 degree
And rotor is iron core which can have eddy current

What came in my mind is the rotor will be wightless but don't know what will happen

Perfect use of this idea is vehicle brakes with no contact

Another thing came in mind is why useing high current when we can use high voltage with littel amerage where we have a very amount of gauss and reducing heat on rotor

Looking forward to see your opinions,Thanks
 
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MReX19985 said:
And rotor is iron core which can have eddy current

What came in my mind is the rotor will be wightless
Why would the rotor be weightless, it is iron. Iron is not weightless.

MReX19985 said:
Perfect use of this idea is vehicle brakes with no contact
Yes, eddy currents are commonly used as a no-contact braking mechanism
 
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Dale said:
Why would the rotor be weightless, it is iron. Iron is not weightless.

Yes, eddy currents are commonly used as a no-contact braking mechanism

Well thanks for your replay and sorry my question was not clear

In my thinking rotor would be wightless becase of the magnatic field will pull it 360 degree, am i right?

The part two is to make this breaks act as a motor and i saw the stepper motor, make the stator poles do steps simultaneously 8 poles (3 right 3 left) 2 off

Make motor pull insted of repelling with height voltage low current
 
MReX19985 said:
In my thinking rotor would be wightless becase of the magnatic field will pull it 360 degree, am i right?

The part two is to make this breaks act as a motor and i saw the stepper motor, make the stator poles do steps simultaneously 8 poles (3 right 3 left) 2 off

Make motor pull insted of repelling with height voltage low current

I like your curiosity and inventiveness. However, to succeed in engineering, you have to do a lot more work than just throw out ideas. You need to do calculations to be sure things will work before presenting those ideas to others. In English we have a saying, "Ideas are a dime a dozen." Which means we can have more ideas than there are grains of sand in the Sahara Desert, but they are of little value without the extra effort to sort the good ones from the bad ones.

I urge you to continue your studies. If you study engineering, you will learn tools and methods you can use to evaluate ideas.
 
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anorlunda said:
I like your curiosity and inventiveness. However, to succeed in engineering, you have to do a lot more work than just throw out ideas. You need to do calculations to be sure things will work before presenting those ideas to others. In English we have a saying, "Ideas are a dime a dozen." Which means we can have more ideas than there are grains of sand in the Sahara Desert, but they are of little value without the extra effort to sort the good ones from the bad ones.

I urge you to continue your studies. If you study engineering, you will learn tools and methods you can use to evaluate ideas.

Thanks sir you answered my question
I have everything i need , But work

I'm already planned to work on this project to come up with revolutionary invention sounds too big , But that makes me feel comfortable

But i made this topic because i had douts
 
MReX19985 said:
But i made this topic because i had douts
unfortunately is seems you don't want to listen to advice concerning your doubts :frown:

MReX19985 said:
I'm already planned to work on this project to come up with revolutionary invention sounds too big

And without a strong physics and engineering background, do you really think you could come up with something that hasn't already been thought of ?
You can't play the game if you don't know the rules :wink:Dave
 
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davenn said:
unfortunately is seems you don't want to listen to advice concerning your doubts :frown:
And without a strong physics and engineering background, do you really think you could come up with something that hasn't already been thought of ?
You can't play the game if you don't know the rules :wink:Dave

I'm a good listener, Need advice that's why i have douts about myself,

I used to educate myself everyday on the internet and seen a lot of useful things online

Thanks Dave
 
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MReX19985 said:
In my thinking rotor would be wightless becase of the magnatic field will pull it 360 degree, am i right?
Just for a moment, consider the magnets replaced by elastic bands. They are pulling 360 degrees in all directions (just like the magnets were).

Does that make the core weightless? No.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Just for a moment, consider the magnets replaced by elastic bands. They are pulling 360 degrees in all directions (just like the magnets were).

Does that make the core weightless? No.

LOL, that not what i meant, for a moment you are right but what gives the wight is gravity which is made from the earth

I'm talking about a small gravity made from strong manatic field (electromagnets) about 200 tesla 200 volts 200,000,000,000 gauss

In the end i can't talk too much until i prove it physically
 
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MReX19985 said:
Make motor pull insted of repelling with height voltage low current
Current motor designs both attract AND repel - flipping at the moment of closest approach.

threepolemotorforces.gif

http://www.dynamicscience.com.au/tester/solutions1/electric/3poledcmotot.htmlIf you were to make a motor that only attracts, it would not be as strong/fast/powerful as a modern motor.
 

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MReX19985 said:
LOL, that not what i meant, for a moment you are right but what gives the wight is gravity which is made from the earth

I'm talking about a small gravity made from strong manatic field (electromagnets) about 200 tesla 200 volts 200,000,000,000 gauss

In the end i can't talk too much until i prove it physically

I don't know what you're getting at, but it appears to be beyond the realm of current science and therefore doesn't belong here on PF. If you believe I am mistaken please contact myself or another mentor.

Thread locked.
 

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