Is it possible to use Quantam entanglement to study event horizon

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical possibility of using quantum entanglement to study the properties of particles inside the event horizon of a black hole. Participants explore various scenarios involving entangled particles and the implications of their measurements on Earth.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the idea of placing one of a pair of entangled electrons into a black hole's event horizon and observing the other on Earth to understand the physical properties of the electron inside the black hole.
  • Several participants argue that it is not possible to use quantum entanglement to send information about the black hole, likening it to the question of faster-than-light communication.
  • Another participant suggests that an experimental probe could create entangled photons and send one over the event horizon, questioning why this would not yield useful information.
  • One participant acknowledges that measuring the spin of the particle on Earth could determine the spin of the corresponding particle inside the event horizon but questions the significance of such information.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the "spooky action at a distance" from entangled particles does not allow for useful information transfer without prior communication between the two measurement locations.
  • There are repeated suggestions to search for previous discussions on the topic, indicating that it is a common question within the forum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the feasibility and implications of using quantum entanglement to study black holes, with multiple competing views presented regarding the potential for useful information transfer.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted regarding the assumptions about information transfer and the nature of measurements in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of black holes.

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I have a doubt/question/idea what ever it may be some thing like this

Theoretically is it possible if we place one of twin electrons(Quantum entanglement)into event horizon of Black hole and observe the second one on earth, so that what is happening in Black holes? i.e how electron's inside event horizon have physical properties such as position, momentum, spin, polarisation, etc are correlated with first one on earth?
 
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It is not possible. This is a variant of the often-asked question, "can we use quantum entanglement to send a faster-than-light message?" and the answer is no. Search around this forum and you'll find some explanations of why not.
 
Nugatory said:
It is not possible. This is a variant of the often-asked question, "can we use quantum entanglement to send a faster-than-light message?" and the answer is no.

But suppose an experimental probe was orbiting the black hole; it could create entangled photons, and ship one over the event horizon, and study the ones kept. This does not seem to involve any FTL transfer of information.

Why wouldn't this provide some useful information?
 
kkragam said:
i.e how electron's inside event horizon have physical properties such as position, momentum, spin, polarisation, etc are correlated with first one on earth?
Indeed, in this way by measuring spin of the particle on Earth, you may determine the spin of the corresponding twin-particle inside the event horizon. But so what? In this way you cannot learn anyhing interesting. In particular, you cannot learn anything about the other black-hole degrees of freedom which are not directly related to your twin particle.
 
UltrafastPED said:
But suppose an experimental probe was orbiting the black hole; it could create entangled photons, and ship one over the event horizon, and study the ones kept. This does not seem to involve any FTL transfer of information.

Why wouldn't this provide some useful information?
Why don't you try what Nugatory suggested, UltrafastPED? Just type "entangled black hole" into the Search box at the top of the page. You'll find many previous threads that answer the question for you.
 
UltrafastPED said:
But suppose an experimental probe was orbiting the black hole; it could create entangled photons, and ship one over the event horizon, and study the ones kept. This does not seem to involve any FTL transfer of information.

Why wouldn't this provide some useful information?

For the same reason that the standard EPR arrangment in flat space can't be used to send useful information.
 
UltrafastPED said:
But suppose an experimental probe was orbiting the black hole; it could create entangled photons, and ship one over the event horizon, and study the ones kept. This does not seem to involve any FTL transfer of information.

Why wouldn't this provide some useful information?
The "spooky action at a distance" produces interesting statistical results. However, you can't tell that you have those interesting statistics until you compare what has been measured at the two distant points.

If you have a two streams of entangled particles, one measured at location A, the other at B, at first glance neither A nor B see anything beyond a random results. Only when A and B exchange information about their measurements that patterns emerge.

So if A is above the event horizon and B is below, Alice at A can sent Bob at B her results and B can then read any message that Alice may have transmitted but since Bob cannot transmit anything to Alice, she will remain in the dark about everything about Bob's measurements.
 
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Bill_K said:
Why don't you try what Nugatory suggested, UltrafastPED? Just type "entangled black hole" into the Search box at the top of the page. You'll find many previous threads that answer the question for you.

If this is such a common thread, perhaps it should be in the FAQ.
 

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