Is it practically possible to construct a closed system?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the feasibility of constructing a closed or isolated system, particularly in the context of vacuum environments and energy transfer. Participants explore theoretical and practical implications of isolation in systems, including the role of thermal radiation and electromagnetic radiation.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of a closed system, suggesting that a vacuum could serve as an isolated environment due to the absence of an outer atmosphere for energy transfer.
  • Another participant counters this by stating that a perfectly isolated system is unattainable, citing thermal radiation emitted by the vacuum chamber's inner surface as a means of energy transfer.
  • Some participants raise questions about the transmission of radiation without a medium, specifically referencing how sunlight reaches Earth through the vacuum of space.
  • It is noted that electromagnetic radiation does not require a medium for transmission, which is highlighted in the context of sunlight reaching Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the possibility of a closed system, with some arguing for the theoretical isolation of a vacuum and others asserting that energy transfer mechanisms prevent true isolation. The discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully explore the implications of thermal radiation and electromagnetic radiation in detail, leaving some assumptions and definitions unaddressed.

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In practice, is a closed or isolated system possible?
My friends keep saying No, but isn't a system inside say, a vacuum isolated?
There is no outer atmosphere for transfer of energy to take place.
 
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VishalB95 said:
In practice, is a closed or isolated system possible?
My friends keep saying No, but isn't a system inside say, a vacuum isolated?
There is no outer atmosphere for transfer of energy to take place.
No, you can't have a perfectly isolated system. In the case of a vacuum, thermal radiation will be emitted by the inner surface of the vacuum chamber and reach the system that way. The most obvious (and important for humans!) example of this is the sun.
 
How can radiation be transmitted without a medium??
 
VishalB95 said:
How can radiation be transmitted without a medium??
How does sunlight reach Earth? There's a vacuum between the Earth and the sun. Electromagnetic radiation does not require a medium.
 
Aaah yeah! Thanks
 

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