Is length contraction direction independent?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of length contraction in special relativity (SR) and whether it is direction independent. Participants explore the implications of length contraction in different frames of reference, particularly in relation to acceleration and deceleration of moving objects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that length contraction is a result of electromagnetic (em) deformation in response to acceleration, suggesting that deceleration should lead to length expansion.
  • Others argue that length contraction is fundamentally a geometric effect of space, independent of electromagnetic factors, and is described by the standard formula √(1 - v²/c²), which depends on relative speed rather than acceleration.
  • It is noted that length contraction is frame dependent, with a ship experiencing different lengths in different inertial frames based on its speed relative to those frames.
  • One participant highlights the role of the relativity of simultaneity, indicating that observers in different frames perceive the lengths of moving objects differently at the same time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the causes and implications of length contraction, with no consensus reached on whether it is direction independent or how acceleration and deceleration affect it.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of acceleration and deceleration, as well as the unresolved nature of how these concepts interact with the geometry of spacetime.

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U is the universal rest frame. A and B space ships pass U at t=0, moving at v. Both experience equal length contraction in the x direction.
If length contraction is a result of em deformation in response to acceleration, then length expansion should be the response to deceleration. If the B ship slows to v=0 between t1 & t2, it should recover its original length.
According to SR, if B moves away from A, A should measure a length contraction of B.
So what happens?

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hi phyti! :smile:
phyti said:
If length contraction is a result of em deformation in response to acceleration …

length contraction is a result of the geometry of space, it has nothing to do with electromagnetism

also, the standard length contraction formula, √(1 - v2/c2), depends on relative speed, not acceleration

in A's frame of reference, U is moving away from A, B starts stationary, and from time t1 to time t2 it accelerates away from A until it reaches the same velocity as U, and B's length is contracted increasingly from time t1 to time t2
 
phyti said:
U is the universal rest frame. A and B space ships pass U at t=0, moving at v. Both experience equal length contraction in the x direction.
If length contraction is a result of em deformation in response to acceleration, then length expansion should be the response to deceleration. If the B ship slows to v=0 between t1 & t2, it should recover its original length.
According to SR, if B moves away from A, A should measure a length contraction of B.
So what happens?

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/49680
Just like speed is frame dependent, so is length contraction. A ship will be traveling at different speeds in different frames. Since length contraction is a function of the speed of the object in a particular frame, whenever the ship changes its speed in one inertial frame, it will also change its speed in all other inertial frames. Whether that change in speed is considered an acceleration or deceleration is frame dependent. In those frames in which it is an acceleration, the length contraction will increase. In those frames in which it is a deceleration, the length contraction will decrease, or, as you say, there will be length expansion. In fact, a given change in speed in one frame can result in both an acceleration and a deceleration in another frame resulting in no net change in speed and no net change in length.
 
phyti said:
According to SR, if B moves away from A, A should measure a length contraction of B.
So what happens?
Yes, A is measuring length contraction of B. And the catch is in relativity of simultaneity i.e. in A's "now" he is longer than B while in B's "now" he is shorter than B. This is best seen in spacetime diagrams. For example like this one:
minkprob.gif


Now compare length of AC (in "now" of moving object) and AB (in "now" of stationary observer).
 

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