Is Perpetual Motion Truly Impossible or Simply Misunderstood?

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The discussion centers on the concept of perpetual motion, which is widely regarded as impossible due to the laws of physics, particularly the conservation of energy. Participants express a fascination with the idea, suggesting that while traditional perpetual motion machines fail, natural systems like the solar system and atomic vibrations exhibit continuous motion. There's a belief that innovative approaches, such as utilizing space environments or superconductors, could lead to self-sustaining systems that mimic perpetual motion. However, the consensus remains that true perpetual motion, as defined by free energy extraction without loss, contradicts established scientific principles. The conversation encourages open-minded exploration of possibilities while acknowledging the limitations imposed by current understanding.
  • #101
If we can apply dualism in the square of energy (there really are two kinds of energy: the potential and the kinetic), then

H^{+}=E^2 this is a general form of kinetic energy.

H^{-}= - E^2 this is a general form of potential energy.

then the square root of the general potential energy is a pure imaginary number.

\sqrt{H^{-}} = Ei

H+ and H- is possible if and only if the infinitesimal forces and metrics are orthogonal.

If kinetic and potential energy are absolutely dual then

E_K E_P= E_K - E_P

And the RHS expression can be defined as a Lagrangian.
 
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  • #102
But if we insist on solving E then Ek=E and EP=Ei give

EEi=E-Ei

there are two solutions (-1+i) and (-1-i), which show that energy is a complex number.

Written in exponentials, the solutions are

E= \sqrt{2} e^{i\theta}

E= \sqrt{2} e^{-i\theta}

where the phase angle is 45 degrees.
 
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  • #103
I am sorry, Antonio, but I really cannot follow you in your path.
Regards
EP
Antonio Lao said:
If we can apply dualism in the square of energy (there really are two kinds of energy: the potential and the kinetic), then

H^{+}=E^2 this is a general form of kinetic energy.

H^{-}= - E^2 this is a general form of potential energy.

then the square root of the general potential energy is a pure imaginary number.

\sqrt{H^{-}} = Ei

H+ and H- is possible if and only if the infinitesimal forces and metrics are orthogonal.

If kinetic and potential energy are absolutely dual then

E_K E_P= E_K - E_P

And the RHS expression can be defined as a Lagrangian.
 
  • #104
Epsilon Pi said:
my main point is that the electron has an inherent magnetic field and it cannot be decomposed, it is a self-consistent entity.
Hi EP,

I guess the question here is this.

Are the mass, charge, magnetic moment, and spin of the electron independent properties, or do they depend on each other in some way, or do they depend on even deeper as yet unknown properties?

juju
 
  • #105
Pmm

mapper said:
I think peoples biggest problem is the ability to think on a scale other then their physical form. Now we see things working on a big and small scale what can we do to create something similar that will work on a scale we can tangibly see and use?
ok lol first of all, this is the physics fourum lol, most people her think on the physical realm, i won't go into explaining my ideas because i have homework I am procrastinating on but i will link you to my post, you may find it interesting.
my post

take a look

Adam

P.S if anyone would want to reply to my post, that's good, but could u e-mail me tellin me? its AdamChess4@aol.com
 
  • #106
Ok; let me guess.

We take an electric motor, connect it to an electrical generator, connect the output of the generator to a step-up voltage transformer with a low voltage tap connected to the motor. The low voltage tap is designed to be the correct voltage for the motor. Then we take the high voltage output of the step-up transformer and power the world with it.

This one comes from folks who learn a little something about voltage transformers but don't understand how power works. It is very common; there's even a patent on it; it doesn't work, of course.

Vern
 
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