Is phi the Actual Angle on an Ellipse?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the parameterization of an ellipse in vector form. It is shown that the parameters phi and theta are not equivalent unless a equals b. The statement holds true for circles, but not for ellipses. Additionally, phi is a parameter and not an actual angle.
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given an ellipse in vector form
r(phi)=a*cos(phi)i +b*sin(phi)j
where i and j are the unit vectors for x and y,
then y= b*sin(phi), and x = a*cos(phi).
tan(phi) = y / x ,
but y/x=(b/a)*tan(phi)
which implies 1 = b/a or b=a
which is false.

What is the deal?
doing the same for a circle leads to the true statement, 1=1.
 
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What is wrong is that in your parameterization:

r(phi)=a*cos(phi)i +b*sin(phi)j

the parameter phi is not equal to the polar coordinate angle theta unless a = b.
 
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I never mentioned anything about polar coordinates, or its angle theta.
Since r is in cartesian components,
y must be equal to b*sin([tex]\phi[/tex]),
and x must be equal to a*cos([tex]\phi[/tex]), right?
and since they are perpendicular, they form a right triangle with r as the hypotenuse... then the tangent of that angle, tan([tex]\phi[/tex]) must equal y/x, no?
 
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elegysix said:
I never mentioned anything about polar coordinates, or its angle theta.
Since r is in cartesian components,
y must be equal to b*sin([tex]\phi[/tex]),
and x must be equal to a*cos([tex]\phi[/tex]), right?
and since they are perpendicular, they form a right triangle with r as the hypotenuse... then the tangent of that angle, tan([tex]\phi[/tex]) must equal y/x, no?

phi is a parameter, not an actual angle. That is, if you choose a certain value for phi, you'll get a point (x,y) that's on the ellipse. However, if you actually plot this point and connect it to (0,0), the resulting line is NOT at an angle phi from the x-axis. There's no reason it should be, since phi is an arbitrarily picked value.
 

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