Is ± Present When Taking 4th Root?

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Taking the fourth root of a number does not inherently include a plus or minus sign, unlike the square root. The principal fourth root of a positive number, such as 16, is positive (e.g., 16^{1/4} = 2). However, there are four fourth roots for any non-zero complex number, including negative numbers, which are spaced evenly around the unit circle in the complex plane. For example, the fourth roots of -1 are 1, i, -1, and -i. Understanding the distinction between principal roots and all possible roots is crucial in complex number calculations.
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Homework Statement



If you take a 4th root of something, is that answer also plus or minus, just like if you are taking a square root?

Ex. ##4^{\frac 1 2} = ±2##

So following that logic, would that mean that:

##16^{\frac 1 4} = ±2## as well?

Meaning, is the ± still present if you take a 4th root?

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RyanTAsher said:

Homework Statement



If you take a 4th root of something, is that answer also plus or minus, just like if you are taking a square root?

Ex. ##4^{\frac 1 2} = ±2##
While 2 and -2 are square roots of 4, the expression ##\sqrt{4}## denotes the principal (i.e., positive) root, or +2. So ##4^{1/2}## would also be +2.
RyanTAsher said:
So following that logic, would that mean that:

##16^{\frac 1 4} = ±2## as well?
The principal fourth root of 16 is 2. There are three other fourth roots: -2, 2i, and -2i.
RyanTAsher said:
Meaning, is the ± still present if you take a 4th root?

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Okay, so I took the 4th root of -1 using a CAS, and ended up getting the result of

## r = \frac {\sqrt(2)} {2} +\frac {\sqrt(2)} {2}i ##

So is there any other answer besides this, or is this the single and only ?
 
RyanTAsher said:
Okay, so I took the 4th root of -1 using a CAS, and ended up getting the result of

## r = \frac {\sqrt(2)} {2} +\frac {\sqrt(2)} {2}i ##

So is there any other answer besides this, or is this the single and only ?
There are four fourth roots, spaced 90° apart (##\pi/2## radians). I don't know if there is a principal fourth root of a negative number, similar to what I said before about the fourth root of 16.

Usually the question is asked as, "Find all of the fourth roots of <N>."
 
RyanTAsher said:
Okay, so I took the 4th root of -1 using a CAS, and ended up getting the result of

## r = \frac {\sqrt(2)} {2} +\frac {\sqrt(2)} {2}i ##

So is there any other answer besides this, or is this the single and only ?
The fourth roots of -1 satisfy the equation ##r^4 = -1## or ##r^4 + 1 = 0##. Since you have a fourth-degree polynomial, there are going to be four solutions.

To find the square roots of 4, you want to solve the equation ##z^2 = 4##. If you express both sides in polar form, with ##z = re^{i\theta}##, you have
$$r^2 e^{i2\theta} = 4e^{i0},$$ which has solution ##r=2## and ##\theta=0##, which corresponds to ##z=2##. But you could also write the righthand side as ##4e^{i2\pi}##, which gives you a second solution, ##r=2## and ##\theta=\pi##, which corresponds to ##z=-2##.

You can use the same method to find all the fourth roots.
 
Mark44 said:
While 2 and -2 are square roots of 4, the expression ##\sqrt{4}## denotes the principal (i.e., positive) root, or +2. So ##4^{1/2}## would also be +2.
The principal fourth root of 16 is 2. There are three other fourth roots: -2, 2i, and -2i.

vela said:
The fourth roots of -1 satisfy the equation ##r^4 = -1## or ##r^4 + 1 = 0##. Since you have a fourth-degree polynomial, there are going to be four solutions.

To find the square roots of 4, you want to solve the equation ##z^2 = 4##. If you express both sides in polar form, with ##z = re^{i\theta}##, you have
$$r^2 e^{i2\theta} = 4e^{i0},$$ which has solution ##r=2## and ##\theta=0##, which corresponds to ##z=2##. But you could also write the righthand side as ##4e^{i2\pi}##, which gives you a second solution, ##r=2## and ##\theta=\pi##, which corresponds to ##z=-2##.

You can use the same method to find all the fourth roots.

Okay, thank you both, I understand how to do this now and have applied it to my problem, but my problem is differential calculus based, so I will post that in the calculus and above section.
 
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