Is Probability of Oscillator Displacement x?

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The discussion revolves around a problem in Statistical Mechanics concerning the probability of an oscillator's displacement, represented by the equation X=Acos(wt+ϕ). Participants are exploring how to express the probability P(x) that the displacement x lies within a specified range, given that the phase angle ϕ is uniformly distributed between 0 and 2π.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the phase angle ϕ and the displacement x, questioning how to sum probabilities over the relevant angles. There is mention of integrating and the need to express P(x) in terms of A and x. Some participants are uncertain about how to handle multiple values of ϕ corresponding to the same x.

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Some guidance has been offered regarding the expression for P(x) and the relationship between dϕ and dx. Participants are actively questioning assumptions about the number of corresponding values of ϕ for a given x and are considering how to derive necessary expressions without reaching a consensus on the approach.

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Participants note that the range of ϕ is much smaller than the range of x, which raises questions about the summation and the relationship between the two variables. There is also a reference to an answer key that introduces uncertainty regarding the role of the amplitude A in the equation.

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I am pre studying for Statistical Mechanics class in the fall and need help with this problem. I’ve already spent some time with it.

Let the displacement x of an oscillator as a function of time t be given by X=Acos(wt+ϕ). Assume that the phase angle ϕ is equally likely to assume any value in the range 0 < ϕ < 2pi. The probability w(ϕ)d ϕ that ϕ lies in the range between ϕ and ϕ +d ϕ is then simply w(ϕ) dϕ=(2pi)^-1d ϕ. For any fixed time t, find the probability P(x)dx that x lies between x and x+dx by summing w(ϕ) over all angles ϕ for which x lies in this range. Express P(x) in termas of A and x.


Relevant equations[/b]
X=Acos(wt+ϕ).
w(ϕ)d ϕ=(2pi)^-1d ϕ

The Attempt at a Solution


The only thing I can come up with is integrating
∫P(x)dx = ∫(2pi)^-1d ϕ and inegrating over x and x+dx
Or ƩP((x)dx* w(ϕ) dϕ)/p(x)
 
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Hello catsonmars. Welcome to PF!

You have a good start with ##w(\phi) = \frac{1}{2\pi}##.

Since you are looking for the probability that ##x## lies in an infinitesimal range from ##x## to ##x+dx##, you will not need to integrate. The probability is just ##\small P(x)dx##. This is given by the probability ##w(\phi)|d\phi|## that ##\phi## lies in the range ##\phi## to ##\phi + d\phi##, where ##\phi## is the value of the phase angle that corresponds to ##x## and ##\phi + d\phi## corresponds to ##x+dx##. [Caution: think about whether or not there is more than one value of ##\phi## that corresponds to the same ##x##. If so, you will need to make an adjustment for that.]

So, the probability that ##x## lies between ##x## and ##x+dx## could be expressed as ##\small P(x)dx## or as ##w(\phi)|d\phi|## (if there is only one value of ##\phi## that corresponds to a value of ##x##). That is, ##\small P(x)dx = ## ##w(\phi)|d\phi|## [I leave it to you to think about what to do if there is more than one value of ##\phi## corresponding to the same value of ##x##. Perhaps this has something to do with the word "summing" in the statement of the problem.]

Since you already know how to express ##w(\phi)##, all you need to do is find an expression for ##d\phi## in terms of ##x## and ##dx##. Hint: ##d\phi = \frac{d\phi}{dx}dx##.
 
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There should be more x values than ϕ's because the range of ϕ is much smaller than x. Second I'm still not sure how I should right the summation. I have ϕ=(Ʃw(ϕ)dϕ)/(P(x)(dx)) but that still seems wrong. I've also thought about relating ϕ+dϕ to x+dx somehow but I'm can't think of what would make them equal so I can get ϕ in terms of x. Also I've looked at the answer key and I have no idea how the amplitue "A" would fit into the equation.
 
Basically, you need to solve ##\small P(x)|dx| = w(\phi)|d\phi|## for ##\small P(x)##. That is,

##P(x) = w(\phi)\frac{d\phi}{dx}##

Use ##x = Acos(\omega t + \phi)## to find ##\frac{d\phi}{dx}## as a function of ##A## and ##x##.

There's the additional task of dealing with the fact that there might be two different values of ##\phi## corresponding to the same value of ##x##.
 

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