Is Static Friction the Dominant Force in a Block on Top of a Slab System?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block resting on a slab, where the forces of static and kinetic friction are in question. The scenario includes a slab on a frictionless surface and a block on top, with specific coefficients of friction provided. The problem explores the effects of a horizontal force applied to the block and the resulting motion of both the block and the slab.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the type of friction acting on the block, questioning whether it is static or kinetic. There is an exploration of the concept of inertia and its role in the motion of the block relative to the slab. Some participants suggest drawing free body diagrams (FBDs) and identifying forces acting on both the block and the slab as part of the analysis.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the definitions and implications of forces at play. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to compute the maximum static friction force and compare it to the inertial force acting on the block. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the nature of the friction involved.

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Participants are encouraged to clarify their definitions and assumptions, particularly regarding the concept of inertial force. There is an emphasis on ensuring that all forces are accounted for in the analysis.

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Homework Statement


In the figure, a slab of mass m1=40kg rests on a frictionless floor, and a block of mass m2=10kg
rests on top of the slab. Between block and slab, the coefficient of static friction is μs=0.60, and
the coefficient of kinetic friction is μk=0.40. A horizontal force F of magnitude 100 N begins to
pull directly on the block, as shown.


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One question I have is, what sort of friction is acting, kinetic or static? I figured that it would be static. When the force F begins pulling on m1, intertia will act to keep m2 from sliding with the slab, giving it the impression that it is moving to the left, relative to the slab's point of view. Hence, the static friction force will balance this "inertial force" that is trying to act, thereby causing the block to move in unison with the slab, or mathematically, a1 = a2.

How do I prove this mathematically, though. Do I need to compute the static friction force and compare it to some other force?
 

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What is the problem? What do you have to find?
 
Assuming you have to find acceleration:
Have you drawn the FBDs for the blocks?
What are the forces acting on the blocks?
Also what do you mean by 'inertial force'? I think you are not clear on its definition, if so google it up!
 
Sorry, here are the questions:

(a) Choose the directions of your coordinate system.
(b) Identify all forces acting on the block and the slab.
(c) Write down Newton’s 2nd law for the block and the slab.
In unit‐vector notation, what are the resulting accelerations a1 and a1.
 
Bashyboy said:
One question I have is, what sort of friction is acting, kinetic or static? I figured that it would be static. When the force F begins pulling on m1, intertia will act to keep m2 from sliding with the slab, giving it the impression that it is moving to the left, relative to the slab's point of view. Hence, the static friction force will balance this "inertial force" that is trying to act, thereby causing the block to move in unison with the slab, or mathematically, a1 = a2.

How do I prove this mathematically, though. Do I need to compute the static friction force and compare it to some other force?

The usual approach would be to make an assumption (static friction rules or doesn't rule) and see if it results in a contradiction. Probably easier to check the "static friction rules" case. So yes, compute the maximal static friction force and see if the top block's inertial force exceeds it.
 

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