Is the Common Base Theorem Applicable to All Cases Involving Triangles?

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The discussion revolves around the applicability of the Common Base Theorem in the context of triangles, particularly when considering a rectangle and its diagonals. Participants explore the implications of the theorem when the line connecting points does not intersect the base of the triangles in question.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving a rectangle and claims that triangles ADC and BCD are congruent, suggesting the ratio of their areas is 1.
  • The same participant questions the applicability of the Common Base Theorem when the line through points A and B does not meet the base DC, raising concerns about the theorem's validity in this case.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the Common Base Theorem, noting that it seems to require the line to intersect the base, which does not occur in the rectangle scenario described.
  • A later reply provides a definition of the Common Base Theorem, stating that it relates the areas of two triangles with a common base and a line through their apexes meeting the base.
  • This participant acknowledges that in the rectangle case, the necessary intersection does not happen, implying the theorem cannot be applied.
  • Another participant suggests that the theorem might be lesser-known and mentions its connection to Ceva's theorem, although they note that there are multiple proofs for Ceva's theorem.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Common Base Theorem in the given scenario. There is no consensus on whether the theorem can be applied when the line does not intersect the base, and skepticism about the theorem's validity is present.

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The discussion highlights the importance of the intersection condition for the Common Base Theorem, with some participants questioning its status as a well-known theorem and its applicability in specific geometric configurations.

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Consider the case of a rectangle ABCD, with diagonals AC and BD drawn.

Now, it's easy to see that triangles ADC and BCD are congruent. So, the ratio of their areas would be 1.

But when I try to obtain the same result via the common base theorem, the line passing through A and B never meets the base DC (as AB and DC are parallel!). How is this possible, when the ratio of the areas is known to be finite?! Or does this situation imply that the Common Base theorem can't be applied in such cases?
 
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jobsism said:
Consider the case of a rectangle ABCD, with diagonals AC and BD drawn.

Now, it's easy to see that triangles ADC and BCD are congruent. So, the ratio of their areas would be 1.

But when I try to obtain the same result via the common base theorem, the line passing through A and B never meets the base DC (as AB and DC are parallel!). How is this possible, when the ratio of the areas is known to be finite?! Or does this situation imply that the Common Base theorem can't be applied in such cases?



I think it'd be a good idea that you'd tell us what's that "common base theorem" that seems to be bugging you...

DonAntonio
 
Oh, sorry about that. I just thought it was quite a popular theorem. :D

If two triangles ABC and A'BC have a common base BC, and the line passing through A and A' meets the base BC(extended, if needed) at P, then

Area(Triangle ABC)/Area(Triangle A'BC) = AP/A'P
This is the Common Base Theorem.

But you see, in the above case the AP and A'P counterparts simply extends to infinity, whereas the ratio of the areas is finite.
 
jobsism said:
Oh, sorry about that. I just thought it was quite a popular theorem. :D

If two triangles ABC and A'BC have a common base BC, and the line passing through A and A' meets the base BC(extended, if needed) at P, then

Area(Triangle ABC)/Area(Triangle A'BC) = AP/A'P
This is the Common Base Theorem.

But you see, in the above case the AP and A'P counterparts simply extends to infinity, whereas the ratio of the areas is finite.


Never heard of such a theorem, and it even looks slightly suspicious to me, but it never matters: as you wrote, "...IF the line thorugh A, A' meets the base BC..." , and in the rectangle's case you described it does NOT meet the base, so the theorem isn't appliable.

DonAntonio
 
EDIT: I totally understand your reason for suspicion; it's not mentioned anywhere on the web! I think it might be a lesser known lemma. But the book that I learned it from (A Primer for Mathematical competitions) called it CBT!
Anyways, the proof is really simple: just constructing altitudes and using similarity criteria.

Oh,wow...so silly of me! It was all in the statement the whole time! :D

Funny you should find the theorem suspicious though. I believe it's used in the proof of the very famous Ceva's theorem. Ah, but then again, there are numerous proofs for the latter.
 
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