Is the Dart Throwing Data a Gaussian Distribution?

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The discussion centers on analyzing dart throwing data to determine if it follows a Gaussian distribution. The data, ranging from -20 to 20, was graphed, and initial observations suggested a good fit to a Gaussian model. However, issues arose when performing the Chi-squared test in Excel, resulting in a CHITEST value of 0 and unrecognized numbers in CHIINV. Participants highlighted the importance of correctly defining bins for the Chi-squared test and noted that misuse of the test can lead to inaccurate conclusions about normality. Ultimately, the discussion emphasizes the need for careful application of statistical tests to validate the distribution of the data.
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Homework Statement



We threw a bunch of darts at a dart board to find the statistics of the positions. They ranged from -20 to 20 and the data is right here. ( each column corresponds to the dart number, it is just a syntax thing) The frequencies are below.

Dart 1 Dart 2 Dart 3 Dart 4 Dart 5
1 -7 -4 4 4 5
2 -19 -6 -5 -2 0
3 -10 -6 -5 6 7
4 -13 -8 -3 8 11
5 -8 -4 -2 0 7
6 -7 -1 0 1 2
7 -13 -11 -2 -2 0
8 -8 -4 -1 8 9
9 -13 -9 -6 -3 5
10 -6 7 12 12 14
11 9 -8 -2 -2 0
12 -12 -4 -4 3 10
13 -8 -7 -4 -3 4
14 -7 -4 2 4 4
15 -5 -3 0 6 11
16 -16 -5 -3 3 8
17 -11 -3 3 1 20
18 -6 -3 3 5 7
19 -4 -2 3 5 12
20 -4 0 3 4 6
21 -11 -9 -4 -5 3
22 0 1 2 7 11
23 -8 -7 -4 -4 0
24 -2 0 6 11 13
25 -10 -8 0 0 4
26 -2 0 3 5 9
27 -5 -1 -1 0 7
28 -13 -6 -5 5 12
29 -4 -8 -2 0 3
30 -15 -5 0 1 4
31 -10 -2 -2 0 4
32 -4 1 5 7 8
33 -10 1 2 6 -1.5
34 -6 -2.5 -2 -7 6
35 -9 -3 -2 5.5 6
36 -15 -7 1 0 3
37 -6 -1 -1 3 2
38 2 1 1 -7 -8
39 -4 -3 1 4 9
40 -3 -4 -2 1 -1
41 1 -2 -2 3 4
42 -4 -3 -1 3 3
43 -7 -4 -1 3 7
44 0 -1 -1 1 2
45 0 -7 -1 -3 7
46 -7 1 -1 -1 0
47 -6 2 -3 -2 6
48 -11 -8 -1 -3 2
49 -6 -3 -2 2 5
50 -7 -4 -3 1 1
51 -2 -2 4 4 11
52 0 -1 -4 -6 7
53 -3 -3 -1 1 2
54 -1 -1 -2 2 6
55 1 -3 4 4 2
56 -8 -8 -9 8 -3
57 2 6 -7 -3 -1
58 -5 -1 -1 1 2
59 3 1 2 -1 -3
60 2 0 -3 -4 -5



-20 0
-19 1
-18 0
-17 0
-16 1
-15 2
-14 0
-13 4
-12 1
-11 4
-10 4
-9 4
-8 12
-7 13
-6 11
-5 10
-4 21
-3 23
-2 23
-1 24
0 23
1 20
2 17
3 16
4 15
5 8
6 11
7 10
8 5
9 4
10 1
11 5
12 4
13 1
14 1
15 0
16 0
17 0
18 0
19 0
20 1

I graphed it, and I did a gaussian distribution and all the data fits fine and dandy. But when I perform the Chi squared test in excel, what ends up happening is that I will get CHITEST = 0
and then when I do CHIINV I get that the number isn't recognized by excel. Or when I mess around with bins I end up getting a number that's roughly around 300...


I honestly have no idea why I am not getting that this data is a gaussian distribution.





The Attempt at a Solution

 
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I'm not intending to address your question, but putting code tags around your data makes it much more readable.

Dgray101 said:

Homework Statement



We threw a bunch of darts at a dart board to find the statistics of the positions. They ranged from -20 to 20 and the data is right here. ( each column corresponds to the dart number, it is just a syntax thing) The frequencies are below.
Code:
	Dart 1	Dart 2	Dart 3	Dart 4	Dart 5
1	-7	-4	4	4	5
2	-19	-6	-5	-2	0
3	-10	-6	-5	6	7
4	-13	-8	-3	8	11
5	-8	-4	-2	0	7
6	-7	-1	0	1	2
7	-13	-11	-2	-2	0
8	-8	-4	-1	8	9
9	-13	-9	-6	-3	5
10	-6	7	12	12	14
11	9	-8	-2	-2	0
12	-12	-4	-4	3	10
13	-8	-7	-4	-3	4
14	-7	-4	2	4	4
15	-5	-3	0	6	11
16	-16	-5	-3	3	8
17	-11	-3	3	1	20
18	-6	-3	3	5	7
19	-4	-2	3	5	12
20	-4	0	3	4	6
21	-11	-9	-4	-5	3
22	0	1	2	7	11
23	-8	-7	-4	-4	0
24	-2	0	6	11	13
25	-10	-8	0	0	4
26	-2	0	3	5	9
27	-5	-1	-1	0	7
28	-13	-6	-5	5	12
29	-4	-8	-2	0	3
30	-15	-5	0	1	4
31	-10	-2	-2	0	4
32	-4	1	5	7	8
33	-10	1	2	6	-1.5
34	-6	-2.5	-2	-7	6
35	-9	-3	-2	5.5	6
36	-15	-7	1	0	3
37	-6	-1	-1	3	2
38	2	1	1	-7	-8
39	-4	-3	1	4	9
40	-3	-4	-2	1	-1
41	1	-2	-2	3	4
42	-4	-3	-1	3	3
43	-7	-4	-1	3	7
44	0	-1	-1	1	2
45	0	-7	-1	-3	7
46	-7	1	-1	-1	0
47	-6	2	-3	-2	6
48	-11	-8	-1	-3	2
49	-6	-3	-2	2	5
50	-7	-4	-3	1	1
51	-2	-2	4	4	11
52	0	-1	-4	-6	7
53	-3	-3	-1	1	2
54	-1	-1	-2	2	6
55	1	-3	4	4	2
56	-8	-8	-9	8	-3
57	2	6	-7	-3	-1
58	-5	-1	-1	1	2
59	3	1	2	-1	-3
60	2	0	-3	-4	-5

Code:
-20	0
-19	1
-18	0
-17	0
-16	1
-15	2
-14	0
-13	4
-12	1
-11	4
-10	4
-9	4
-8	12
-7	13
-6	11
-5	10
-4	21
-3	23
-2	23
-1	24
0	23
1	20
2	17
3	16
4	15
5	8
6	11
7	10
8	5
9	4
10	1
11	5
12	4
13	1
14	1
15	0
16	0
17	0
18	0
19	0
20	1

I graphed it, and I did a gaussian distribution and all the data fits fine and dandy. But when I perform the Chi squared test in excel, what ends up happening is that I will get CHITEST = 0
and then when I do CHIINV I get that the number isn't recognized by excel. Or when I mess around with bins I end up getting a number that's roughly around 300...


I honestly have no idea why I am not getting that this data is a gaussian distribution.





The Attempt at a Solution

 
Dgray101 said:

Homework Statement



We threw a bunch of darts at a dart board to find the statistics of the positions. They ranged from -20 to 20 and the data is right here. ( each column corresponds to the dart number, it is just a syntax thing) The frequencies are below.

Dart 1 Dart 2 Dart 3 Dart 4 Dart 5
1 -7 -4 4 4 5
2 -19 -6 -5 -2 0
3 -10 -6 -5 6 7
4 -13 -8 -3 8 11
5 -8 -4 -2 0 7
6 -7 -1 0 1 2
7 -13 -11 -2 -2 0
8 -8 -4 -1 8 9
9 -13 -9 -6 -3 5
10 -6 7 12 12 14
11 9 -8 -2 -2 0
12 -12 -4 -4 3 10
13 -8 -7 -4 -3 4
14 -7 -4 2 4 4
15 -5 -3 0 6 11
16 -16 -5 -3 3 8
17 -11 -3 3 1 20
18 -6 -3 3 5 7
19 -4 -2 3 5 12
20 -4 0 3 4 6
21 -11 -9 -4 -5 3
22 0 1 2 7 11
23 -8 -7 -4 -4 0
24 -2 0 6 11 13
25 -10 -8 0 0 4
26 -2 0 3 5 9
27 -5 -1 -1 0 7
28 -13 -6 -5 5 12
29 -4 -8 -2 0 3
30 -15 -5 0 1 4
31 -10 -2 -2 0 4
32 -4 1 5 7 8
33 -10 1 2 6 -1.5
34 -6 -2.5 -2 -7 6
35 -9 -3 -2 5.5 6
36 -15 -7 1 0 3
37 -6 -1 -1 3 2
38 2 1 1 -7 -8
39 -4 -3 1 4 9
40 -3 -4 -2 1 -1
41 1 -2 -2 3 4
42 -4 -3 -1 3 3
43 -7 -4 -1 3 7
44 0 -1 -1 1 2
45 0 -7 -1 -3 7
46 -7 1 -1 -1 0
47 -6 2 -3 -2 6
48 -11 -8 -1 -3 2
49 -6 -3 -2 2 5
50 -7 -4 -3 1 1
51 -2 -2 4 4 11
52 0 -1 -4 -6 7
53 -3 -3 -1 1 2
54 -1 -1 -2 2 6
55 1 -3 4 4 2
56 -8 -8 -9 8 -3
57 2 6 -7 -3 -1
58 -5 -1 -1 1 2
59 3 1 2 -1 -3
60 2 0 -3 -4 -5



-20 0
-19 1
-18 0
-17 0
-16 1
-15 2
-14 0
-13 4
-12 1
-11 4
-10 4
-9 4
-8 12
-7 13
-6 11
-5 10
-4 21
-3 23
-2 23
-1 24
0 23
1 20
2 17
3 16
4 15
5 8
6 11
7 10
8 5
9 4
10 1
11 5
12 4
13 1
14 1
15 0
16 0
17 0
18 0
19 0
20 1

I graphed it, and I did a gaussian distribution and all the data fits fine and dandy. But when I perform the Chi squared test in excel, what ends up happening is that I will get CHITEST = 0
and then when I do CHIINV I get that the number isn't recognized by excel. Or when I mess around with bins I end up getting a number that's roughly around 300...


I honestly have no idea why I am not getting that this data is a gaussian distribution.





The Attempt at a Solution


You need to include more details. How did you obtain the Chi-squared values; that is, what are the individual "bins" that you used in submitting the data to the Chi-squared package?

I looked at your data in maple, and found that in some ways of presenting the data the normality hypothesis was rejected (at some reasonable level of significance), while in other ways of presenting the data the normality hypothesis was accepted at the same level of significance. The point is that it is easy to "misuse" the Chi-squared test if you don't really know what you are doing. There are certain rule of thumb restrictions that typically accompany descriptions of chi-squared usage, and we have no way of knowing whether or not you paid attention to these restrictions. If you violate the restrictions the chi-squared test simply does not apply; that is, the use of a Chi-squared table is inaccurate and ill-advised.
 
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