Is the Echo Frequency Increased When a Dolphin Approaches Fish?

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When a dolphin approaches fish and emits a high-pitched sound, the echo frequency is expected to increase, similar to the Doppler effect observed with moving vehicles. Calculations provided in the discussion confirm this, with an observed frequency of approximately 96.58 Hz based on the dolphin's speed and sound properties. Additionally, participants explore resonant lengths of air columns for different boundary conditions at a frequency of 1 kHz, determining lengths of 34 cm for closed and open columns, and 25.5 cm for a column open at one end. The calculations and formulas for these scenarios are discussed and verified among participants. The thread highlights the application of physics principles in understanding sound behavior in marine biology.
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if a dolphin swims towards some fish, and emits a high pitched sound. will the echo from this sound be observed (by the dolphin) as an increased/decreased frequency?

my vote is increased

~Amy
 
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Yes should be. Analagous to the doppler effect in police cars etc.
 
thanks :smile:

here's another question:
Vobserved = 2 m/s
Vsound = 330 m/s
Fsound = 96 Hz
Fobserved = ?

i calculated 96.58Hz or 9.7 * 10^1 Hz ?

~Amy
 
Yeah looks ok to me. Although is vobserved supposed to be the speed the dolphin is travelling?
 
thanks. no dolphin in the 2nd question. it's about a band marching away from a guy a the speed of 2 m/s.

~Amy
 
another question:

Find the second resonant length of an air column that resonates with a sound of frequency 1 kHz at 15 degrees C.

a) the air column is closed at both ends

b) the air colomn is open at both ends.

c) the air column is open at one end and closed at the other end.

can someone give me the formulas for b and c? :blushing:

for a i figured out the wavelength to be 0.34085 m and the speed of sound to be 340.85m/s.

so the resonant length ends up being 34 cm.

o:)

~Amy
 
update: for b i got 34 cm (same calculation as in "a")

and for c i got 25.5 cm

~Amy
 
physicsgal said:
update: for b i got 34 cm (same calculation as in "a")

and for c i got 25.5 cm

~Amy
Sounds all correct to me!

Patrick
 
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