Is the Limit as it Approaches 0 Always Infinity?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of limits as they approach zero, particularly focusing on the expression involving infinity and how it relates to specific limit calculations. Participants explore various mathematical expressions and their limits, questioning the interpretation of limits involving infinity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why limits approaching zero should not simply be considered as infinity, citing expressions like (1-infinity)/(1+infinity).
  • Others challenge the assumption that "-infinity/infinity" should yield infinity, asking for specific limit evaluations such as $$\lim_{s \to 0} \frac{\frac{-1}{s}}{\frac{2}{s}}$$.
  • There is a suggestion that the limit could be zero based on the evaluation of certain expressions, although this is contested.
  • Participants discuss the simplification of limits and the implications of multiplying by terms that approach zero, leading to different interpretations of the limit results.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of understanding limits in terms of large numbers rather than infinity, suggesting that expressions can yield various negative values depending on the context.
  • There are corrections and clarifications regarding algebraic manipulations and the results of specific limit calculations, with some participants asserting different outcomes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of limits involving infinity, with no consensus reached on whether such limits should be considered as infinity or evaluated differently. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations of the limits presented.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps and varying assumptions about the behavior of limits as they approach zero, particularly in expressions involving infinity. The discussion highlights the complexity of limit evaluation and the potential for different outcomes based on algebraic manipulation.

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Why is the limit not just infinity?

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wouldn't it be (1-infinity)/(1+infinity)?
 
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Why should "-infinity/infinity" be infinity?

What is the limit of
$$\lim_{s \to 0} \frac{\frac{-1}{2}}{\frac{2}{s}}$$?
 
mfb said:
Why should "-infinity/infinity" be infinity?

What is the limit of
$$\lim_{s \to 0} \frac{\frac{-1}{2}}{\frac{2}{s}}$$?

-s/4, if s =0 then
Would't the limit be zero?
 
Sorry typo, this is the formula I meant:
$$\lim_{s \to 0} \frac{\frac{-1}{s}}{\frac{2}{s}}$$

But the more important part was the first question.
 
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mfb said:
Sorry typo, this is the formula I meant:
$$\lim_{s \to 0} \frac{\frac{-1}{s}}{\frac{2}{s}}$$

But the more important part was the first question.

For that formula it would be -1/2. I was thinking it would be infinity because you really can't put down a number with it unless maybe it is 1?

EDIT: Nvm go it. It ends up being -35/40. Thnx
 
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Tekneek said:
For that formula it would be -1/2.
That is not the point. It follows the "-infinity/infinity" type. It is easy to simplify it here to see the limit is not infinity, so your original idea cannot work - that was the purpose of the example.
I was thinking it would be infinity because you really can't put down a number with it unless maybe it is 1?
I don't understand that question.
EDIT: Nvm go it. It ends up being -35/40. Thnx
Okay.
 
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Why is the limit not just infinity?

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wouldn't it be (1-infinity)/(1+infinity)?

Whenever you write "infinity", you should write "a large number".

In this form (1 - a large number)/(1 + another large number) could be any negative number. It could be large and negative or it could be small and negative.
 
A very important property of limits, not emphasized enough as I think it should be, is that "If f(x)= g(x) for all x except x= a, then \lim_{x\to a} f(x)= \lim_{x\to a} g(x).

With this particular problem, we can, as long as n is not 0, multiply both numerator and denominator by n. That gives you \frac{s- 1}{s+ \frac{s+ 4}{7(s+ 5)}}. Now, take s= 0.
 
You lost two prefactors, HallsofIvy.

$$\frac{s- 1}{s+ \frac{10(2s+ 4)}{7(s+ 5)}}$$
 
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Thanks.
 
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The limit is of (s-1)/(s+(10*(2s+4)/7(s+5) that doing s=0 result in -7/15
 
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Garrulo said:
The limit is of (s-1)/(s+(10*(2s+4)/7(s+5) that doing s=0 result in -7/15
No, check your algebra. The answer in post #1 (-7/8) is correct.
 

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