Is the Space of Absolutely Continuous Functions Complete?

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The discussion revolves around the completeness of the space of absolutely continuous functions, particularly in relation to different norms and inner products. Participants explore the properties of absolutely continuous functions and their implications for completeness in various contexts, including subsets and specific sequences.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the completeness of the space of absolutely continuous functions, seeking verification and additional resources.
  • Another participant suggests that completeness depends on the norm used, providing examples of norms that yield different answers regarding completeness.
  • A participant introduces an inner product involving k-th derivatives, but later expresses confusion about the relationship between these derivatives and absolute continuity.
  • Concerns are raised about the existence of k-th derivatives for absolutely continuous functions, leading to a discussion on the appropriateness of the proposed inner product.
  • One participant mentions working with a subset of absolutely continuous functions and aims to show completeness, but questions arise about the validity of using the inner product due to the lack of guaranteed k-th derivatives.
  • A later post inquires about the implications of a sequence in a normed space converging under certain conditions, linking it to the concept of completeness.
  • Another participant confirms that an arbitrary sequence converging in a normed space implies completeness, referencing equivalent formulations of completeness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the completeness of the space of absolutely continuous functions based on the norm used. There is no consensus on the appropriate norm or the implications for completeness, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall completeness of the space.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations regarding the assumptions about k-th derivatives and the definitions of norms, which affect the discussion on completeness. The relationship between absolute continuity and the existence of derivatives is also noted as a point of contention.

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Is the space of all absolutely continuous functions complete?
I've never learned about absolutely continuous functions, and so I'm unsure of their properties when working with them. I'm fairly certain it is, but would like some verification.
Or a link to something on them besides the wikipedia page could be useful as well.

Much appreciated.
 
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It depends on what you use for the norm. For example (for simplicity I'll assume a finite domain) - if ||f||=max|f|, the answer would be no. On the other hand if ||f||=max|f|+max|f'|, the answer would be yes.
 
I was thinking with the induced norm from <f,g>=\Sigma_{k=1}^n \int^1_0 f^{(k)}(t)\overline{g^{(k)}(t)}dt
 
I'm confused? How are f(k) related to f?
 
The kth derivatives.
I'm dealing with a subset of absolute continuous functions and trying to show completeness. It seemed easier to just show it was closed if I knew the space of all absolutely continuous functions were complete w.r.t the induced metric from the above inner product. But now I don't think we can talk about that space w.r.t the inner product, since absolute continuity gives nothing about the kth derivatives existing.

I guess I'm left with showing that an arbitrary Cauchy sequence converges.
 
What is n? And indeed, absolutely continuous functions need not have k-th derivatives (for any k), so this inner product does not make any sense.

So back to start: what norm do you want to use (you can't talk about completeness without talking about a norm)?
 
Well I was dealing with a subset where it did make sense.

Let me just ask a different question:
If \{h_n\} is a sequence in H and \Sigma^\infty_{n=1}||h_n||<\infty and I show that \Sigma^\infty_{n=1}h_n converges in H; does that imply that H is complete?
 
Assuming that (h_n) is an arbitrary sequence: yes, one of the equivalent formulations of completeness of a normed space is "every absolutely convergent series converges".

\\edit: for a proof of this, see e.g. here.
 
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