Is the space of total angular momentum complete?

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The discussion revolves around the completeness of the space of total angular momentum when adding multiple angular momenta, specifically focusing on the case of three angular momenta. Participants explore the implications of quantum numbers in distinguishing states and the potential existence of "missing" states in the total angular momentum space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the counting of states when adding three angular momenta (l1, l2, l3) and finds a discrepancy between the total number of states calculated and the number of states derived from total angular momentum (27 states versus 16 states), suggesting there may be missing quantum numbers.
  • Another participant challenges the initial calculations, indicating that the formulas for adding angular momenta may not have been applied correctly and provides a breakdown of the combinations.
  • A further participant emphasizes the need for a quantum number to distinguish states with the same total angular momentum (L) and magnetic quantum number (M), questioning the completeness of the state description.
  • One reply suggests that the quantum numbers m1, m2, and m3 can distinguish states, but notes that only two of these are independent given M, and that a superposition of states is involved when determining the corresponding eigenstate.
  • A later participant expresses confusion regarding the completeness of the description of systems with many electrons, questioning whether the typical quantum numbers used (l1, l2, L, S, mL, mS) suffice without additional quantum numbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the completeness of the angular momentum state description and the proper application of quantum number conventions. Multiple competing views remain on how to account for the "missing" states and the adequacy of the quantum numbers used in complex systems.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the application of angular momentum addition rules and the definitions of quantum states, particularly in multi-electron systems. The discussion highlights the complexity of superposition and the role of Clebsch-Gordon coefficients in determining state combinations.

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It's easy to see that for addition of 2 angular momenta l1 and l2 , the space l1 m1 , l2 m2 is equivalent to the space of l1 l2 l m (where l is the total angular momentum).
Counting the total number of states is usually a convenient way to make sure you got the addition right.

But what about the addition of 3 angular momenta? consider for example, l1,l2,l3 all equal to 1.
It's easy to count the total number of states: 3X3X3=27.

Adding the momenta we can get l=0,1,2,3 and so the total number of states is 1+3+5+7=16.

So what happened to 27-16=11 missing states? There must be some quantum number to distinguish between them, right?
 
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You're not using the formulas properly

1\otimes 1\otimes 1 = (2\oplus 1\oplus 0)\otimes 1 = 3\oplus 2\oplus 1 \oplus 2\oplus 1\oplus 0\oplus 1
 
Obviously there are various way to add the third momentum, as is shown in your notation.
But my question was, suppose we have a space defined by the quantum numbers l1,l2,l3 , m1,m2,m3 .
We now add the momenta and get a space of l1,l2,l3,L,M, with M=-L,...L .
But there are not enough states in this space!

What is quantum number that tells 2 states with the same L and M from each other?
 
The quantum numbers that tell you that are m1, m2, and m3. Given M, only two of these are independent.

If you are asking what m1, m2, m3 state corresponds to eigenstate with given M, it's actually a superposition of all possible states such that m1+m2+m3=M. You'd have to use Clebsch-Gordon coefficients to find the weights of the possible combinations.
 
That's very interesting. Thanks for your reply.
The only thing that bothers me now is that when considering atoms with many electrons, in the central field approximation, the states are usually defined only by l1,l2... L,S mL and mS.
Or at least, that's what I thought I knew...
So is that not a complete description of a system without another quantum number?
 

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