Is theory of measurement an oxymoron?

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The discussion centers on the philosophical implications of the measurement problem in quantum mechanics, as articulated by @vanhees71 and supported by Maximilian Schlosshauer's analysis. Schlosshauer identifies the dual nature of measurement in quantum mechanics, contrasting measurement as an axiom with measurement as an interaction. The consensus among participants is that the measurement problem is not purely scientific but rather philosophical, as it lacks a universally accepted definition among physicists and philosophers alike. The need for a quantum theory of measurement is emphasized, given the inconsistencies between classical and quantum frameworks.

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  • #31
Hmmm it looks like, nature doesn't actually consist of quantum systems but rather uses the quantum math for self-organizing - so our childish approach "What's it made of?" gets stuck in a contradiction.
 
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  • #32
Elias1960 said:
There was the monstrous moonshine conjecture, also known as 196884 = 196883 + 1.

Essentially, it was nothing but the hypothesis that there is some deep connection between the j-function from number theory and the Monster group.
At that time it was just that it wasn't mathematics but just a piece of data coupled with a philosophy of what it might possibly mean.
 
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  • #33
No! It was actually very precise.
Elias1960 said:
There was the monstrous moonshine conjecture, also known as 196884 = 196883 + 1.

Essentially, it was nothing but the hypothesis that there is some deep connection between the j-function from number theory and the Monster group. Vague enough?
 
  • #34
If there are no particles as such, there are no discrete things per se(in and of themselves). How can measurement be an oxymoron if measurement is fundamental to the nature of said discrete things? This is bad philosophy.
 

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