Is there a limit to information storage on the surface of a black hole?

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The discussion centers on the question of whether there is a limit to the amount of information that can be stored on the surface of a black hole, exploring concepts related to black hole entropy and information theory. Participants reference theoretical frameworks and calculations related to this topic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if there is a limit to information storage on a black hole's surface, referencing a NOVA special.
  • Another participant presents the standard answer that suggests one bit of information can be stored per Planck area, citing the relationship between entropy and area.
  • A different participant claims that it is actually four bits per Planck area, providing a formula for entropy that includes a factor of 4.
  • There is a correction regarding the interpretation of the relationship between bits and Planck areas, with a participant suggesting a misunderstanding in the previous claims.
  • A later reply acknowledges an error in algebra related to the calculations presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct amount of information that can be stored per Planck area, indicating that there is no consensus on this point.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific formulas and relationships but do not resolve the discrepancies in their claims regarding the number of bits per Planck area.

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Hello,

I'll try to explain this as well as I can...

I was watching NOVA's special on The Fabric of the Cosmos and the segment on how information is both lost in the black hole and stored on the surface got me wondering "Is there a limit to how much information can be stored on the surface of a black hole?"

Any insight or feedback is appreciated.
 
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The standard answer is one bit per "Planck area". This estimate comes from the expression for black entropy which says S = A/G_N (S is the entropy, A is the area, and G is Newton's constant). In 4d Newton's constant is related to the Planck length by G_N = L_p^2. Hence the entropy is S = A/L_p^2. Since it is argued that a black hole is the most compact object possible, the maximal possible entropy should be that of a black hole, and hence the maximal amount of information that can be stored is roughly one bit per Planck area.

Does that help?
 
Oops, yes! Algebra.
 

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