Is there no stress when a net force is not equal to 0

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between stress and net force, particularly questioning why stress is often associated with a state of equilibrium where the net force is zero. Participants explore the applicability of stress, strain, and Young's modulus to moving bodies and the implications of forces acting on materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that traditional definitions of stress, strain, and Young's modulus assume a state of equilibrium with net force and torque equal to zero.
  • Others propose that stress can exist in moving bodies, suggesting that friction and other forces can induce stress even when net forces are not zero.
  • A participant emphasizes that stress is a more general concept than force, describing it as a distributed force acting on a surface.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that equilibrium is only achieved under specific combinations of forces and torques, indicating that unbalanced forces can coexist with stress.
  • Some participants challenge the assertion that equilibrium has no relation to stress and strain, expressing confusion over this claim.
  • A later reply notes that forces act on points while stresses act on surfaces, highlighting the distinction between internal stresses and external forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the relationship between stress and net force, with no consensus reached on the implications of equilibrium in this context.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the relationship between stress and equilibrium may depend on specific definitions and assumptions that are not universally agreed upon. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of how stress can manifest in different physical scenarios.

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is there no stress when a net force is not equal to 0 ,i mean that whenever we talk about stress why is the net force 0 ?
 
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Could you rephrase your question? It's hard to make any sense of it in it's current form.
 


i mean , that the formulas of stress , strain , young 's modulus applicable to a moving body , because in all the definations in all the books i have seen , they have assumed that the body is in complete equlibrium , ie. net force and torque =0.
 


There has to be a state of equilibrium between all forces. If you look at the infinitesimal element one always sees to illustrate the 18 stresses on a cube's faces (normal and shear stresses), they must be in equilibrium. If you have a net force, what does Newton's second law tell you?

wiki said:
According to the principle of conservation of linear momentum, if the continuum body is in static equilibrium it can be demonstrated that the components of the Cauchy stress tensor in every material point in the body satisfy the equilibrium equations (Cauchy's equations of motion for zero acceleration). At the same time, according to the principle of conservation of angular momentum, equilibrium requires that the summation of moments with respect to an arbitrary point is zero, which leads to the conclusion that the stress tensor is symmetric, thus having only six independent stress components, instead of the original nine.
 


The above formula's are applicable to any body, you just have to be more careful with one that is movinng. There will always be some friction in a moving object, therefore always a component of the force acting to deform the material, the other is acting to accelerate. If there really was no force opposing motion, then the object would not deform, so stresses would be induced.EDIT: I've just read that back, and it seems potentially confusing.
 


phymatter said:
i mean , that the formulas of stress , strain , young 's modulus applicable to a moving body , because in all the definations in all the books i have seen , they have assumed that the body is in complete equlibrium , ie. net force and torque =0.

Stress is a more general concept than force. Stress can be thought of as a distributed force (a force distributed on a surface, for example).

Because and strain (the generalized version of position) are more general concepts than forces and positions, the mathematics is more complicated, which leads to introductory textbooks making simplifications in order to make the material more appropriate to the course. Equilibrium has nothing to do with stress and strain any more than it does with forces and displacement.

Stresses and couples (the generalization of torque) are written as tensors: not only does the stress vary with where on the object the stress is, but also the direction. For example, if I push a door open, and I stand in the same place, I can still push in many different directions (some directions are more efficient than others in opening the door).
 


Andy Resnick said:
Equilibrium has nothing to do with stress and strain any more than it does with forces and displacement.
Excuse me?
 


Equilibrium is obtained only for a very specific combination of forces and torques; unbalanced forces exist, as does stress.
 


Equilibrium has nothing to do with stress and strain any more than it does with forces and displacement.

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I'm not sure how to answer: forces act on points, stresses act on surfaces. There certainly can be internal stresses which develop (for a deformable body, for example) under the action of a field of force (the gravitational field is a good example).
 

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