Is this integral a convolution ?

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The discussion revolves around the formulation of an integral representing the energy inside a sphere with a time-dependent radius and energy density. Participants explore whether the integral can be interpreted as a convolution and address issues related to notation and the formulation of the integral.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the integral E(t) = 8π ∫₀^{r(t)} ρ(r,t) dr, suggesting it may not make sense and inquiring if it represents a convolution of r and ρ.
  • Another participant defends the integral, stating it appears reasonable without providing further justification.
  • A third participant points out a potential inconsistency in notation, noting the use of ρ(t,r) and ρ(r,t) and emphasizing that r should not be both the upper limit of the integral and the dummy variable for integration.
  • The original poster expresses confusion and acknowledges the notation issues raised, indicating a need for clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the integral. There are differing opinions on whether it makes sense, and the discussion includes challenges regarding notation and formulation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the notation used in the integral, particularly the roles of r as both an upper limit and a dummy variable, which may affect the interpretation of the integral.

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I'm struggling to find a function [itex]E(t)[/itex] which is the energy inside a sphere with energy density [itex]\rho(t,r)[/itex] where the radius [itex]r \equiv r(t)[/itex] is itself a function of time. This
[tex] E(t) = 8\pi \int_0^{r(t)} \rho(r,t) dr[/tex]
doesn't make sense, does it ? Is the thing I'm looking for some kind of convolution of r and [itex]\rho[/itex] ?
 
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Why do you say it doesn't make sense? It looks perfectly reasonable to me.
 
Mentz114 said:
I'm struggling to find a function [itex]E(t)[/itex] which is the energy inside a sphere with energy density [itex]\rho(t,r)[/itex] where the radius [itex]r \equiv r(t)[/itex] is itself a function of time. This
[tex] E(t) = 8\pi \int_0^{r(t)} \rho(r,t) dr[/tex]
doesn't make sense, does it ? Is the thing I'm looking for some kind of convolution of r and [itex]\rho[/itex] ?
You should try to be more careful in your notation. You have ρ(t,r) in one place and ρ(r,t) someplace else. More important if r is the upper limit of the integral, it should not be used as the dummy for integration.
 
Thanks for the replies. Sorry about the sloppiness.

More important if r is the upper limit of the integral, it should not be used as the dummy for integration.
Yes, I thought there was something wrong but I'm still baffled.
 

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