Is this integral possible to solve

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The discussion revolves around the solvability of the integral \(\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} \frac{x^{2}}{ax^{4} + bx^{2} + c}\), exploring whether it can be evaluated using complex analysis techniques, particularly residue theory. Participants examine the implications of real roots in the denominator and the conditions under which the integral can be computed.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant queries the solvability of the integral, noting that tables typically only cover cases with first power numerators.
  • Another participant suggests that the integral can be solved using residue theory, assuming no real roots exist in the denominator.
  • A different viewpoint proposes that if real roots are present, the integral can still be evaluated by circumventing the roots, providing an example integral with a specific result.
  • One participant seeks clarification on why real roots pose a problem, speculating about branch points in the complex plane.
  • Another participant counters that real roots are not problematic, explaining how to handle them using partial fraction decomposition and contour integration techniques.
  • A later reply clarifies that real roots lead to singular points, which complicate direct integration, and discusses the concept of the Cauchy Principal Value integral as a method to address these singularities.
  • There is a question raised about whether the principal-valued integral always exists for any values of \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\), noting that sometimes the limit across singular points may diverge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of real roots in the integral. While some argue that real roots complicate the evaluation, others assert that they can be managed through specific techniques. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the existence of the principal-valued integral under all conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions, such as the nature of the roots of the polynomial in the denominator and the conditions for convergence of the integral. There is also a lack of consensus on the generality of the principal-valued integral's existence across different parameter values.

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Hi

I was wondering if anyone has seen this integral in a table, or indeed knows if it is possible to solve:

[tex] \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} \frac{x^{2}}{ax^{4} + bx^{2} + c}[/tex]

every table I look at seems to only go up to the first power of x in the numerator

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Thrillhouse
 
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Your integral can be solved by a classical residue argument.

If we assume that [itex]ax^4+bx^2+c[/itex] has no real roots, then the integral equals

[tex]2 \pi i \sum{ Res(P/Q,z_k)}[/tex]

where the [itex]z_k[/itex] are all the roots of Q in the upper half plane.
 
micromass said:
Your integral can be solved by a classical residue argument.

If we assume that [itex]ax^4+bx^2+c[/itex] has no real roots, then the integral equals

[tex]2 \pi i \sum{ Res(P/Q,z_k)}[/tex]

where the [itex]z_k[/itex] are all the roots of Q in the upper half plane.

Suppose it does have real roots. Can't we just go around them:

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{x^2}{-3x^4+2x^2+3}dx=-\frac{\pi}{2}\sqrt{\frac{1}{30}(\sqrt{10}-1)}[/tex]

Or am I being a trouble-maker?
 
Thanks for the help guys - can you briefly explain (or point me towards) why real roots are a problem ? is it something to do with branch points in the complex plane ?
 
Real roots are not a problem in the slightest, if the roots of the quadratic are real then it is possible to write the integral as:
[tex] \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{x^{2}}{ax^{4}+bx^{2}+c}dx= \frac{1}{a}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{x^{2}}{(x^{2}+\alpha )^{2}-\beta^{2}}= \frac{1}{a}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{x^{2}}{(x^{2}+\alpha +\beta )(x^{2}+\alpha -\beta )}dx[/tex]
You can now use standard partial fraction techniques to reduce it into a more manageable integral.

The real roots will become a "problem" because the semi-circle used goes through the poles in question. To get around this you have a semi-circular indent of the contour (so the pole is now outside the contour). Now you have to look at the estimates of the complex integrand a little more carefully but it is not that hard to do, this technique is in all the standard textbooks on complex analysis.
 
thrillhouse86 said:
Thanks for the help guys - can you briefly explain (or point me towards) why real roots are a problem ? is it something to do with branch points in the complex plane ?

No, not branch-points, just singular points where the function becomes unbounded right since the denominator is going to zero. You can't directly integrate through those points. I was a little misleading in my post above. I conveniently neglected to explicitly state that I was taking the "Cauchy Principal Value" integral and really should have written it as:

[tex]\text{P.V.}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{x^2}{-3x^4+2x^2+3}dx=-\frac{\pi}{2}\sqrt{\frac{1}{30}(\sqrt{10}-1)}[/tex]

In that case, rather than integrate it directly through the singular points, we take a simultaneous limit of the value of the intgral on either side of each singluar point or use techinques of Complex Analysis to "go around" them. If the limit exists, then the integral converges in the Cauchy principal sense. Like for example:

[tex]\int_{-a}^a \frac{1}{x} dx[/tex]

does not converge in the regular Riemann sense but:

[tex]\text{P.V.} \int_{-a}^a \frac{1}{x} dx=0[/tex]

Now here's a question: Does the principal-valued integral always exist no matter what the values of a, b, and c are? Because sometimes that coupled-limit across the singular point diverges. Does it ever in this case?
 
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