Is this true? The area of a circle can be approximated by a polygon

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The discussion revolves around the approximation of the area of a circle using the area of a regular polygon as the number of sides increases. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved, particularly focusing on limits and the behavior of polygonal areas as they approach circularity.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for the area of a regular polygon and questions whether the limit of this area as the number of sides approaches infinity equals the area of a circle.
  • Another participant notes that the term $$tan(90-\frac{180}{n})$$ should decrease as n increases, suggesting a finite limit may exist.
  • A participant challenges the limit taken as $$x \rightarrow \infty$$, arguing that if x is fixed, the area becomes infinite as n increases, and that x and n need to be related for a finite shape.
  • There is a suggestion to use the angle at the center of the polygon and a fixed distance to the vertices to analyze the limit more effectively.
  • Another participant points out that the perimeter of the polygons approaches $$2\pi r$$ as n increases, which may be an interesting aspect to consider.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need to express x in terms of n for clarity in calculations.
  • One participant provides an alternative formula for the area of a regular polygon in terms of the circumradius and suggests that taking the limit as n approaches infinity leads to the area of a circle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate limits and relationships between variables. There is no consensus on the best approach to demonstrate the relationship between the area of polygons and circles, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for careful consideration of variable relationships, particularly between the side length and the number of sides of the polygon, to achieve meaningful limits. Some mathematical steps and assumptions remain unresolved.

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Does the limit as n approaches infinity of the area of an n-sided polygon equal to the area of a circle?
Hello everyone!
I have been looking for a general equation for any regular polygon and I have arrived at this equation:

$$\frac{nx^{2}}{4}tan(90-\frac{180}{n})$$

Where x is the side length and n the number of sides.

So I thought to myself "if the number of sides is increased as to almost look like a circle, does it result in the area of a circle?"

Is this:

$$\lim_{n\to\infty} \frac{nx^{2}}{4}tan(90-\frac{180}{n}) = \frac{C^{2}}{4\pi}$$

true?
 
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$$tan(90-\frac{180}{n}) $$
should become smaller with increasing n, to get a finite limit.
 
John Clement Husain said:
Summary: Does the limit as n approaches infinity of the area of an n-sided polygon equal to the area of a circle?

Hello everyone!
I have been looking for a general equation for any regular polygon and I have arrived at this equation:

$$\frac{nx^{2}}{4}tan(90-\frac{180}{n})$$

Where x is the side length and n the number of sides.

So I thought to myself "if the number of sides is increased as to almost look like a circle, does it result in the area of a circle?"

Is this:

$$\lim_{x\to\infty} \frac{nx^{2}}{4}tan(90-\frac{180}{n}) = \frac{C^{2}}{4\pi}$$

true?

Why are you taking the limit as ##x \rightarrow \infty##?

If you keep ##x## fixed, then the area is infinite as ##n \rightarrow \infty##. If you want your polygon to tend to a finite shape, then you need ##x## and ##n## to be related.

Note that using ##l## for the length of a side might have been more conventional.

It might be simpler to look at the angle, ##\theta = 2\pi / n## at the centre of the polygon and have a fixed distance to the vertices, ##r##, say.

Then you let ##n \rightarrow \infty## and see what happens to the limit of the area of the polygons. Note that the length of the sides of the polygon will tend to ##0## in this case.
 
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I extended the title to more accurately describe the topic.
 
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PS what's perhaps more interesting is to show that the length of the perimeter of the polygons, ##nl##, tends to ##2\pi r##.
 
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PeroK said:
Why are you taking the limit as ##x \rightarrow \infty##?

Oh! right, that was a typo.[/QUOTE]
 
John Clement Husain said:
Oh! right, that was a typo.

You still need to calculate ##x## in terms of ##n##.
 
It's easier to see if you find the area in terms of one variable relating to a circle. Take for instance the area of a regular polygon in terms of the circumradius r and number of sides n.

##A = \frac{r^2 n sin(\frac{2\pi}{n})}{2}##

The limit of this formula as the number of sides ##n\rightarrow\infty## is the familiar formula for the area of a circle.
 

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