Is two way communication possible over same wire

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of two-way communication over the same wire, particularly focusing on methods like Frequency Division Duplexing (FDD) and the principles behind signal separation in communication systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether two-way communication is possible over the same wire, using a coaxial line as an example.
  • Another participant asserts that broadband lines achieve this through full duplex communication.
  • A participant introduces Frequency Division Duplexing (FDD) and seeks clarification on how it works, particularly regarding the superimposition of carrier waves on the same wire.
  • It is noted that while signals may be superimposed, they can be recovered individually at each end of the communication line.
  • A comparison is made to conversations over a telephone wire, where two people can talk simultaneously, despite the difficulty in separating the signals.
  • Another participant draws an analogy to FM radio stations, explaining how signals are transmitted in multiple directions and how receivers can select specific frequencies, relating this to Frequency Division Multiplexing and Time Division Multiplexing.
  • A participant mentions that waves traveling in opposite directions on a transmission line remain independent, countering the intuitive notion that they would mix together.
  • The role of a hybrid transformer in telephones is highlighted as a device that separates transmitted and received signals, enabling simultaneous communication.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation of how two-way communication can occur over the same wire, with some agreeing on the principles of FDD and others questioning the implications of signal superimposition. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of signal recovery and the effectiveness of different duplexing methods.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the technical details of signal processing, the assumptions about signal independence, and the specific mechanisms of duplexing methods that remain unexplored.

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I have a question in my mind whether two way communication is possible over same wire.
For example, suppose you have a coaxial line which is used to send information from A end to B end. Now, Is it possible that B sends info to A simultaneously when A is sending info to B?
 
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Yes, your broadband line does exactly that.

Google full duplex communication.
 
I have searched about duplexing and found a word Frequency division duplexing as one of the methods to perform duplexing.
Now, I want to know how FDD works. I mean I know that two carrier waves of different frequencies are chosen, but if they are passed through same wire, aren't they supposed to be superimposed?
Is it something to do with mathematical tools like Fourier transform which reveals the actual content of the waves?
 
but if they are passed through same wire, aren't they supposed to be superimposed?

Yes they are but you can recover the individual signal at each end.

You may have experienced two people talking at the same time at opposite ends of a telephone wire its just as bad as if they are in the same room - you hear both conversations superimposed and it is difficult, but not impossible to sort them out.
 
Consider how ordinary FM Radio stations work. They send signals in multiple directions at once through the air. The radio in your car is easily able to select just one from the dozen or more it might be picking up. A wire isn't that different to air.

For radio and TV the available spectrum is divided into different bands and each station gets it's own frequency band. That's a crude form of Frequency Division Multiplexing.

If they all used the same frequency but took turns to broadcast (eg each station had one day of the week) that would be a crude form of Time Division Multiplexing.
 
Waves traveling in opposite directions on a transmission line remain independent of each other. It seems counterintuitive. Seems like they should mix together and become a single entity but this is not the case. Go to your tub and try this with water waves.
Anyway your ordinary plain ol telephone works on this principal. You and the party at the other end can be talking at the same time and each hear the other. There is a magnetic device called a hybrid transformer in each telephone that separates the transmitted and received signals.
 

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