Isolating Heavy Water from Tap Water

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The discussion centers around the challenges of isolating heavy water (D2O) from regular tap water, exploring various methods and the feasibility of such processes. Participants share insights into the density differences, separation techniques, and the practical limitations of extracting heavy water from a typical water source.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks advice on inexpensive methods for isolating heavy water from tap water, indicating an expectation of difficulty.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the existence of a small-scale, inexpensive method for this process.
  • A participant notes that heavy water is denser than normal water but emphasizes that simple methods like siphoning are inadequate.
  • One participant discusses various separation methods, including distillation, electrolysis, and chemical exchange processes, highlighting the kinetic isotope effect and the complexity of producing pure heavy water.
  • Another participant mentions the Girdler sulfide process as a significant chemical method for heavy water production, while also referencing an alternative method involving lasers that is currently uneconomical.
  • Concerns are raised about the low concentration of heavy water in tap water, with one participant stating that extracting meaningful amounts is not feasible.
  • A later reply challenges the feasibility claim by stating that while heavy water is rare, it is still present in measurable amounts, citing a ratio of one heavy water molecule per 3200 water molecules.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of isolating heavy water from tap water, with some asserting that it is not practical due to low concentrations, while others argue that it is possible to extract measurable amounts, though still challenging.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the methods discussed, including the energy consumption of certain processes and the economic viability of alternative methods. The assumptions about the concentration of heavy water in tap water also play a critical role in the feasibility of extraction methods.

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Hello everyone. I am trying to isolate heavy water from regular tap water. It turns out to be much more difficult than I expected. Anyone have some advice or a relatively inexpensive method of doing this?
 
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I doubt such thing as a "small scale inexpensive method" exists.
 
Well, heavy water is about 11% denser than normal water, but its not as simple as siphoning off the bottom level of standing water.
 
atw (according to Wiki):

The HDO may be separated from regular water by distillation or electrolysis and also by various chemical exchange processes, all of which exploit a kinetic isotope effect. (For more information about the isotopic distribution of deuterium in water, see Vienna Standard Mean Ocean Water.)

The difference in mass between the two hydrogen isotopes translates into a difference in the zero-point energy and thus into a slight difference in the speed at which the reaction proceeds. Once HDO becomes a significant fraction of the water, heavy water will become more prevalent as water molecules trade hydrogen atoms very frequently. To produce pure heavy water by distillation or electrolysis requires a large cascade of stills or electrolysis chambers, and consumes large amounts of power, so the chemical methods are generally preferred. The most important chemical method is the Girdler sulfide process.

An alternative process[15], patented by Graham M. Keyser, uses lasers to selectively dissociate deuterated hydrofluorocarbons to form deuterium fluoride, which can then be separated by physical means. Although the energy consumption for this process is much less than for the Girdler sulfide process, this method is currently uneconomical due to the expense of procuring the necessary hydrofluorocarbons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water#Production
 
Problem is there is no meaningful amount heavy water in tap water. If the water had say 10% heavy water in it I bet there are loads of processes that would work but to extract meaningful amounts from normal tap water is not feasible.
 
toughsteel said:
Problem is there is no meaningful amount heavy water in tap water.

According to that same Wiki article, normal water contains about one in 3200 molecules of heavy water. That's pretty meaningful.

To get a millilitre of heavy water, you would need to process a mere 3.2 litres.
 

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