Issue with mass in de Broglie wave

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of wavelength and frequency in the context of de Broglie waves, specifically involving a confusion between proton mass and a hypothetical weight of a photon. Participants explore the implications of using incorrect values and the nature of the calculations being performed.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for wavelength involving Planck's constant, proton mass, and velocity, but expresses uncertainty about the mass value used.
  • Another participant questions the relevance of the velocity value, noting that hydrogen energy levels pertain to electrons rather than protons.
  • A third participant mentions controls based on frequency and L/C resonance, indicating a complex project with mixed values.
  • A later reply clarifies that the original inquiry was hypothetical, referring to the "weight" of a photon instead of a proton, suggesting a misunderstanding in terminology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express confusion and disagreement regarding the calculations and the values used, particularly the distinction between proton and photon mass. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple interpretations of the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding mass values and the context of the calculations, particularly the mixing of concepts related to protons and photons. The scope of the discussion is influenced by the informal and exploratory nature of the project described.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring wave-particle duality, de Broglie waves, and the implications of mass in quantum mechanics, particularly in hypothetical or experimental contexts.

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I was looking for a frequency by calculating the wavelength, and I found the answer. However, I have no idea where I came up with one of the values!

my notes say:
wavelength = Planck Constant / (proton mass * velocity)

My values:

1.9078e-21 m = 6.63e-034 / (2.81e-8 * 1.236e-5)

The velocity is equal to longest wavelength of the electromagnetic radiation emitted by the hydrogen atom undergoing a transition from the n = 7 level, shown in m/s. The Planck Constant is what it is.

But what was I thinking when I came up with the mass of a proton as 2.81e-8?! Here's the thing THE NUMBER WORKS. And when I came up with that one, I was like, "Okay, we'll just call that 'proton mass' for now and see what happens."

I'm sure it had something to do with charge and/or angular momentum.

Does anyone know what I was thinking?! Thanks!
 
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theChosen1 said:
The velocity is equal to longest wavelength of the electromagnetic radiation emitted by the hydrogen atom undergoing a transition from the n = 7 level, shown in m/s

What.

Also, hydrogen levels are dealing with the electron. What exactly are you calculating?
 
wotanub said:
What exactly are you calculating?

Upper and lower controls based on frequency and L/C resonance. This is a real Frankenstein project, so values are coming from everywhere.
 
Nothing to see here folks. In fact, you may lock the thread if you like...

It was a hypothetical that I was working with to arrive at a working number at 3:00am: the hypothetical "weight" of a PHOTON, not a PROTON.

Like I said, "Frankenstein Project".
 

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