Iterated integrals wrt one variable

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The discussion revolves around the notation and representation of iterated integrals with respect to a single variable, particularly in the context of mathematical expressions and quantum field theory. Participants explore various shorthand notations and conventions used in different mathematical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the shorthand notation for repeated integrals, specifically how to denote integrating a function n times with respect to a variable x.
  • One participant mentions that MathWorld uses D-n f(x) to denote n repeated integrals, suggesting it stands for ∂nf(x)/∂xn.
  • Another participant raises a question about the notation \int d^4 k in quantum field theory, seeking clarification on its meaning and why it differs from \int dk^4.
  • A response explains that \int d^4 k represents integration over all four components of the four-vector k, rather than four repeated indefinite integrals, and provides a general form for the limits of integration.
  • One participant suggests that Jn is also a standard notation for n repeated indefinite integrals in the study of integral equations, extending to fractional calculus.
  • There is a discussion about the standard way to write iterated integrals, with some participants noting that as long as the notation is unambiguous, variations like \idotsint f(x) dx^n are acceptable.
  • Participants also mention that in more abstract contexts, the notation \int\limits_A f may be used, focusing on the set of integration rather than the specific differential notation.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the notation for iterated integrals, with no clear consensus on a single standard form. Multiple competing notations and interpretations are presented, indicating an unresolved discussion.

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Some notations may depend on specific contexts or fields of study, and the discussion highlights potential ambiguities in different representations of integrals.

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how are integrals in the form of [tex]\overbrace{\int \cdots \int \int}^{n \, \mathrm{times}} f(x) \overbrace{\,dx\,dx ... \dx}^{n \, \mathrm{times}}[/tex] written? ie. if you integrate with respect to x n times, then what is the shorthand notation for that?
 
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MathWorld uses D-n f(x) for n repeated integrals; I guess Dn f(x) stands for ∂nf(x)/∂xn.
 
i was wondering what the superscript number to the d was in the quantum filed theory integrals , like what does [tex]\int d^4 k[/tex] mean, and why it isn't written [tex]\int dk^4[/tex]
 
lolgarithms said:
i was wondering what the superscript number to the d was in the quantum filed theory integrals , like what does [tex]\int d^4 k[/tex] mean, and why it isn't written [tex]\int dk^4[/tex]

It's a short-hand notation that is NOT meant to represent four repeated indefinite integrals. k is a four vector with four components, so the notation means you are to perform the integration over all four components of k, which some specified limits on each integral:

[tex]\int d^4k = \int_\alpha^\beta dk_x\int_\gamma^\delta dk_y\int_\epsilon^\eta dk_z\int_\lambda^\tau dk_{ct}[/tex]

For generality, I made all the limits different, but I guess usually all would have the same limits of integration.

Also, [itex]dk^4[/itex] would be easily confused with [itex]d(k^4) = 4k^3 dk[/itex].
 
lolgarithms said:
how are integrals in the form of [tex]\overbrace{\int \cdots \int \int}^{n \, \mathrm{times}} f(x) \overbrace{\,dx\,dx ... \dx}^{n \, \mathrm{times}}[/tex] written? ie. if you integrate with respect to x n times, then what is the shorthand notation for that?

It is also standard notation to use Jn for n repeated indefinite integrals (assumed to be single-variable) in the study of integral equations. The form of your result would be (Jnf)(x). This notation is extended in fractional calculus so that n can take on any real value, such that J becomes a unified differintegral operator.
 
is it standard to write it like this?
(integral sign) stuff (dx n times)
 
lolgarithms said:
is it standard to write it like this?
(integral sign) stuff (dx n times)

As long as it is not ambiguous, there should be no problem. It is also usually written
[tex]\idotsint f(x) dx^n[/tex]
where the emphasis is placed on the differential form in the integrand. In other circumstances, the author will also write
[tex]\int\limits_A f[/tex]
where the emphasis is placed on A, the set being integrated over, and the coordinate-specific differential notation is suppressed. This notation is used in more abstract texts.
 

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