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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of nested radicals, specifically expressions like \(\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\ldots}}}\) and their convergence properties. Participants explore how to justify the limits of such expressions and also touch upon related questions involving the Gamma function.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the expression \(\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\ldots}}}\) approximates to 2 and questions the terminology and justification for such limits.
  • Another participant identifies these expressions as Nested Radicals but admits a lack of familiarity with their theoretical background.
  • A participant provides a method to rewrite the nested radical equation as \(\sqrt{2+x} = x\) and suggests squaring both sides to find solutions, while emphasizing the non-negativity of square roots.
  • It is mentioned that for nested radicals of the form \(\sqrt{a + \sqrt{a + \sqrt{a + \ldots}}}\), the approach of setting \(\sqrt{a + x} = x\) is effective, with the positive root being relevant.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of ensuring the limit exists before applying certain techniques, noting that the limit is the value of an increasing sequence.
  • One participant discusses the sequence defined by \(a_0 = \sqrt{2}\) and \(a_{n+1}=\sqrt{2+a_n}\), suggesting that it can be shown by induction that \(a_n \leq 2\) for all \(n\), thus ruling out the possibility of the limit being \(+\infty\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the convergence of nested radicals and the methods to analyze them. There is no consensus on the theoretical aspects of the Gamma function or its relation to the nested radicals, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved questions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for rigor in establishing the existence of limits and the implications of using extended real numbers in their analysis. Some assumptions about the behavior of sequences and the nature of solutions are also noted but remain unresolved.

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The other day I was playing with my calculator and noticed that

[tex]\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+...}}}} \approx 2[/tex]

But, what is that kind of expression called? How does one justify that limit?
And, to what number exactly does converge, for example:

[tex]\sqrt{1+\sqrt{1+\sqrt{1+\sqrt{1+...}}}} \approx 1.6161[/tex]

[tex]\sqrt{3+\sqrt{3+\sqrt{3+\sqrt{3+...}}}} \approx 2.3027[/tex]

Any references where I could read about these subjects?

Another question. Considering real [tex]x>1[/tex], we have:
[tex]\Gamma(x) - x^1 = 0[/tex] then [tex]x \approx 2[/tex]

But how does one justify that? And what are the exact values of these functions:

[tex]\Gamma(x) - x^2 = 0[/tex] then [tex]x \approx 3.562382285390898[/tex]
[tex]\Gamma(x) - x^3 = 0[/tex] then [tex]x \approx 5.036722570588711[/tex]
[tex]\Gamma(x) - x^4 = 0[/tex] then [tex]x \approx 6.464468490129385[/tex]

Thanks,
Damián.
 
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They are called Nested Radicals. There are references in the link. I am unfortunately not familiar with their theory.
 
slider142 said:
They are called Nested Radicals. There are references in the link. I am unfortunately not familiar with their theory.

Thank you slider142!
That answered my first question.
Does anyone know about my second question? Or any further references?
Thanks,
Damián.
 
[tex]\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+\sqrt{2+...}}}} = x[/tex]

For something like this, you can rewrite the equation as

[tex]\sqrt{2+x} = x[/tex]

And then the infinite equation is captured in a finite form. From there, you simply square both sides.

[tex]2+x = x^2[/tex]

And solve for x.

But I don't know much more than that! Don't forget that square-roots are non-negative.
 
For nested radicals of the form

[tex]\sqrt{a + \sqrt{a + \sqrt{a + \dots}}}[/tex]

using the trick

[tex]\sqrt{a + x} = x[/tex]

works very well. Two roots will emerge, but only one is positive (the other is extraneous).

In the case when a = 2, x = 2.

When a = 1, then x = [itex]\phi = \frac{1 + \sqrt{5}}{2} \approx 1.618034[/itex] a.k.a. the golden ratio.

As to the second question regarding the Gamma function, I'm not sure much theory is available.

--Elucidus
 
For a dose of rigor -- we have to be sure the limit really exists before we can compute it with such tricks!

In this case, it's easy: the value is the limit of an increasing sequence, and limits of increasing, extended real number-valued sequences always exist.

It's important to notice that extended real numbers come into play here! The equation
2 + x = x²​
has three relevant solutions: -1, 2, and [itex]+\infty[/itex]. We know the limit exists, so it has to have one of those three values. It's easy to rule out -1, but more work is needed to decide between 2 and [itex]+\infty[/itex].
 
If we examine the sequence [itex]\{a_n\}_{n=0}^{\infty}[/itex] when [itex]a_0 = \sqrt{2}[/itex] and

[tex]a_{n+1}=\sqrt{2+a_n}[/tex]

Then it is possible to show by induction that [itex]a_n \leq 2[/itex] for all n so the [itex]+\infty[/itex] case is impossible.


But you are correct, this possibility does need to be ruled out, Hurkyl.

--Elucidus
 
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