Jacobian matrix with 2 variables

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The discussion focuses on finding the Jacobian matrix for the functions z = x^2 + x^3 and z = y + sin(x). Participants clarify that the Jacobian matrix is constructed using partial derivatives of each function with respect to the variables x and y. The correct Jacobian matrix is identified as J = [[2x, 3x^2], [cos(x), 1]]. The determinant of this Jacobian is calculated as 2x - 3x^2cos(x). Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly defining variables and understanding the structure of the Jacobian matrix.
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jacobian matrix with 2 variables please help!

Homework Statement


so we have z=x^2+x^3 and z=y+sin(x). Find the jacobian matrix of this system. Find the determinant of this jacobian.

The Attempt at a Solution


The determinant part is easy, the only problem is trying to set this up. I'm not sure where to start. I think I need to take partial derivatives...do we do like dz/dx and dz/dy and just put them into matrix? please help
 
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Yes, exactly. The partial derivatives of the first function, with respect to x and y, are the first row of the matrix, the first derivatives of the second function, with respect to x and y, are the second row of the matrix.

Just out of curiosity, how is the determinant part "easy" if you don't know what you are to take the determinant of?
 
what do you mean? the determinant doesn't necessarily have to be a certain numerical value, just show what the answer is symbolically(that's what I believe atleast heh). so if I did this right the determinant should be just 2x+3x^2
 
Are you sure you wrote the problem out right? both equations are for z?
 
feelau said:
what do you mean? the determinant doesn't necessarily have to be a certain numerical value, just show what the answer is symbolically(that's what I believe atleast heh). so if I did this right the determinant should be just 2x+3x^2

Yes, that is correct. I said nothing about "a certain numerical value". I'm still wondering how you got 2x+ 3x2 for the determinant of the Jacobean matrix if you did not know what that matrix was! Oh, and I assumed that the two "z"s actually referred to different variables. That was what joob was complaining about. Normally, a Jacobean matrix reflects a change in variables. changing x,y to u, v or z,w would make sense. Changing x,y to z, z would not!
 
<br /> z_1=x^2+x^3 <br /> \medskip<br /> z_2=y+sin(x)<br />

Jacobian is:
<br /> J=\left[ \begin{array}{cc}<br /> \frac{dz_1}{dx} &amp; \frac{dz_1}{dy} \\<br /> \frac{dz_2}{dx} &amp; \frac{dz_2}{dy} <br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]<br />

...which is
<br /> J=\left[ \begin{array}{cc}<br /> 2x &amp; 3x^2 \\<br /> cos(x) &amp; 1 <br /> \end{array}<br /> \right]<br />

and determinant:

<br /> 2x -3x^2cos(x)<br />
 
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