Jellium Model: Finite Confinement & Coulomb Interactions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the applicability of the Jellium model for an electron gas confined to a finite volume, particularly in the context of Coulomb interactions and the challenges posed by infinities in calculations. Participants explore theoretical implications, mathematical formulations, and the limitations of the model in finite systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the Jellium model is only suitable for an infinite volume and seeks ways to manage infinities in Coulomb interactions when confined to a finite volume.
  • Another participant suggests that the Jellium model serves as a foundation for the Local Density Approximation (LDA) and Local Spin Density Approximation (LSDA), referencing a specific book for further reading.
  • A participant mentions encountering diverging Coulomb integrals due to singularities and expresses a need to understand how these infinities are typically addressed.
  • One reply indicates that the Coulomb integral should not pose a problem, suggesting that it can be treated as the Fourier transform of the Coulomb potential, and proposes a method to handle the apparent divergence.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the Hamiltonian used in the context of the Jellium model, noting that it is often stated to be well-defined only in the thermodynamic limit, raising concerns about its validity for small volumes with few electrons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the applicability of the Jellium model in finite volumes or the handling of infinities in Coulomb interactions. Multiple viewpoints and uncertainties remain regarding the validity of the Hamiltonian in small systems.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the assumptions of the Jellium model, particularly its dependence on the thermodynamic limit and the implications for small volumes. The discussion reflects ongoing exploration of mathematical techniques to address divergences in Coulomb integrals.

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Is the Jellium model only suitable for an electron gas of infinite volume? If I confined a gas to a finite volume using an infinite potential well, is there still a way to cancel out the infinities in the coulomb interactions between electrons?
 
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Sure, it's the basis for the LDA/LSDA. Do you have Parr and Yang's book? It's probably the best for this stuff. (Specifically, Appendix E deals with the uniform electron gas)
 
alxm said:
Sure, it's the basis for the LDA/LSDA. Do you have Parr and Yang's book? It's probably the best for this stuff. (Specifically, Appendix E deals with the uniform electron gas)

Thanks, will give the book a look. I have a set of coulomb integrals <a b|V(r-r')|c d> where a-d are plane-wave orbitals with periodic boundary conditions, and they are all diverging due to the singularity when r = r'. I am trying to figure out how these infinities are normally dealt with.
 
This Coulomb integral shouldn't be a problem ... unless I'm missing something, it will be identical to the Fourier transform of the Coulomb potential. While that integral looks to be problematic at a first-go, the trick of inserting a slowly decaying exp(-u*r) term in the limit u going to zero shows the Fourier transform to be 1/k^2. In your case, k will be some linear combination of the wavevectors of your plane-waves a-d.
 
t!m said:
This Coulomb integral shouldn't be a problem ... unless I'm missing something, it will be identical to the Fourier transform of the Coulomb potential. While that integral looks to be problematic at a first-go, the trick of inserting a slowly decaying exp(-u*r) term in the limit u going to zero shows the Fourier transform to be 1/k^2. In your case, k will be some linear combination of the wavevectors of your plane-waves a-d.

I think what is confusing me is some of the phrases I am finding in books.

I have come across the following hamiltonian a few times.

[tex]\hat{H} = \sum\frac{ \hat{p}_i^2}{2m} + \frac{1}{L_d }\sum_{q \neq 0} \left[ \hat{n}_{-q}\hat{n}_{q} - \hat{N}\right][/tex]

But it is always qualified by phrases like "This Hamiltonian is well defined within the thermodynamic limit" [Quantum theory of the electron liquid By Gabriele Giuliani, Giovanni Vignale]. Which implies it is not valid for small volumes. My volume will be on the order of 10-1000 nm^3 with only a handful of electrons so not sure if it's valid.
 

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