Just how spherical is a neutron star?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the shape and symmetry of neutron stars, particularly in comparison to electrons. Participants explore the implications of extreme conditions in neutron stars, such as mass and rotational speed, and how these factors might affect their sphericity. The conversation touches on theoretical and observational aspects, including gravitational waves and material strength.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that neutron stars, despite their extreme conditions, are likely very spherical due to their immense gravitational forces and material properties.
  • One participant mentions that a neutron star's "mountains" are on the order of millimeters, suggesting that any asymmetry is minimal.
  • Another participant claims that the crust of a neutron star is significantly stronger than steel, which may prevent it from tearing apart under rotational stress.
  • There is a discussion about the rotational speed of millisecond pulsars and how it affects their shape, with some suggesting that they become oblate rather than ovoid at high speeds.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the concept of electrons being spherical, noting that electrons are often considered point-like with no known radius.
  • References to the strength of materials in neutron stars are made, with comparisons to known materials and their Young's modulus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that neutron stars are likely very spherical, but there are varying opinions on the specifics of their shape and the implications of their material properties. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the comparison of neutron stars' symmetry to that of electrons.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the limitations of current understanding regarding the shape of electrons and the effects of gravitational waves on neutron stars, indicating that further research may be necessary to clarify these points.

Vincent Neave
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I recently read an article that said that experiments in synchotrons had indicated that an electron was the most spherical object in the universe. It stated that if an electron were the same diameter as the solar system, the variation in its diameter would be less than the thickness of a human hair.

However, whilst I was thinking about neutron stars in general, and pulsars in particular, it struck me that with the extreme dimensions and conditions involved, 1.3 - 2 times the solar mass compacted into an 20 mile diameter star, spinning at up to 712 revolutions per second, surely, if there even the slightest amount of asymmetry, the forces involved would simply cause it to tear itself asunder.

Does anyone know if there has been any research in this field and, if there has, how would the symmetry of a millisecond pulsar compare to that of an electron?
 
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2 solar masses packed into 20 miles diameter, spinning at 100/sec, would have a diameter at the equator that is almost 1% more than at the poles.
 
In addition, a Neutron Star has "mountains" ≤ 1 inch high.
 
Vincent Neave said:
I recently read an article that said that experiments in synchotrons had indicated that an electron was the most spherical object in the universe. It stated that if an electron were the same diameter as the solar system, the variation in its diameter would be less than the thickness of a human hair.

However, whilst I was thinking about neutron stars in general, and pulsars in particular, it struck me that with the extreme dimensions and conditions involved, 1.3 - 2 times the solar mass compacted into an 20 mile diameter star, spinning at up to 712 revolutions per second, surely, if there even the slightest amount of asymmetry, the forces involved would simply cause it to tear itself asunder.

Does anyone know if there has been any research in this field and, if there has, how would the symmetry of a millisecond pulsar compare to that of an electron?

Yes, there is research in this area. In a neutron star the highest mountain is on the order of millimeters. Anything larger than that and energy is radiated in the form of gravitational waves.

Millisecond pulsars are quite oblate. The limit on their rotational speed is when the spheroid begins to become ovoid, again resulting in gravitational waves.

Neutron stars have such strong gravity that tearing apart under rotational stress is not really a possibility. The crust is over a billion times stronger than steel and 1km thick. Nevertheless the accumulated twist of the magnetic field grows so great that the crust shears and ruptures, leading to the most energetic events observed in this galaxy.

I've been told that electrons are point-like. They have no known radius, so I don't know how they could be spherical.
 
Thanks chaps, most enlightening.

An article about the spherical nature of electrons can be found Here
 
From the linked article above:

In this case, we're actually talking about the "shape" of the electron's interactions with electric fields rather than whether it's a non-spatial point particle or a tiny vibrating string.
 
A neutron star is probably very spherical. It is composed of matter with a calculated Young's modulus about 20 orders of magnitude greater than any known material. I recall once reading the equivalent of mount everest on a neutron star would be about a millimeter high.
 
e^(i Pi)+1=0 said:
In addition, a Neutron Star has "mountains" ≤ 1 inch high.

I'm shocked that neutron stars can even have "mountains" greater than a few nanometers.
 

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