K-Vector Function of Space in EM Waves: Implications

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of the k-vector being a function of space in the context of electromagnetic (EM) waves. Participants explore implications of spatial dependence, particularly in relation to wave behavior and medium properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the k-vector can vary with space and what implications this might have.
  • Another participant relates the k-vector to a wave's frequency through a dispersion relation, seeking clarification on the original question.
  • A participant suggests that if the refractive index (n) of the medium varies in space, then the k-vector would also vary.
  • It is noted that in non-planar waves, such as spherical waves, the direction of the k-vector depends on location.
  • One participant emphasizes that the equation for a spherical wave only reflects the magnitude of the k-vector, asserting that its direction is always away from the source.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous point but suggests that treating k as a scalar simplifies the analysis in this context.
  • A later reply proposes that the k-vector can be visualized as the gradient of the wave's phase, indicating a conceptual understanding of its representation as fields of vectors perpendicular to wavefronts.
  • There is a mention that the k-vector might be more accurately described as a "covector" or "one-form," introducing a more advanced perspective on its nature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the k-vector's spatial dependence, with no consensus reached on whether it can be treated as a function of space or the best way to conceptualize it.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include assumptions about the properties of the medium and the nature of wave propagation, which may influence interpretations of the k-vector's behavior.

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Is it possible for the k-vector to be a function of space (in the context of EM waves)? What would it imply if this was the case?
 
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Well I know that the k-vector can be related to a wave's frequency (this is called a dispersion relation). Is that what you were asking about?
 
No... I was just curious about the spatial dependence of the k-vector (if such a thing is possible).
 
If the n of the medium varied in space, then so would k.
k=nw/c
 
In a non-planar wave (e.g. a spherical wave radiating from a pointlike source), the direction of [itex]\vec k[/itex] obviously depends on location.
 
jtbell said:
In a non-planar wave (e.g. a spherical wave radiating from a pointlike source), the direction of [itex]\vec k[/itex] obviously depends on location.

The equation for a spherical wave is
[itex]e^\left(ik|\mathbf{r-r}_0|\right)[/itex]

k doesn't depend on direction
 
That equation contains only the magnitude of the vector [itex]\vec k[/itex], whose direction is always away from the source (located at [itex]{\vec r}_0[/itex]):

[tex]\vec k = k \frac{\vec r - {\vec r_0}}{|\vec r - {\vec r_0}|} = \left( \frac{2\pi}{\lambda} \right) \frac{\vec r - {\vec r_0}}{|\vec r - {\vec r_0}|}[/tex]
 
jtbell said:
That equation contains only the magnitude of the vector [itex]\vec k[/itex], whose direction is always away from the source (located at [itex]{\vec r}_0[/itex]):

[tex]\vec k = k \frac{\vec r - {\vec r_0}}{|\vec r - {\vec r_0}|} = \left( \frac{2\pi}{\lambda} \right) \frac{\vec r - {\vec r_0}}{|\vec r - {\vec r_0}|}[/tex]

I see what you're saying, but it's easier to treat k as a scalar in this case, where k has no dependence on direction.
 
The wave vector can probably best thought of as
"the gradient of the phase of the wave". Thus, one can visualize it as fields of vectors perpendicular to the wavefronts.

(The physical quantity described by the "k-vector" is actually more naturally thought of as a "covector" (or "one-form"), but that's another story.)
 

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