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Karl Rove: The Republican Mastermind

  1. Apr 12, 2005 #1

    Ivan Seeking

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    Note that this runs tonight at 9:00 PM, PST, on Frontling [PBS], here in the Northwest.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/architect/
     
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  3. Apr 13, 2005 #2
    I take it I missed this (posted yesterday)? I wouldn't have been able to catch it anyway, but would have liked to watch it. Did anyone else catch it? From what I've read about Rove, he is a little bit of a legend in his own mind, but on the other hand, he knows demographics etc. like no one else, and personally I believe the ugliness of recent campaigns bear his mark.
     
  4. Apr 13, 2005 #3

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    You can probably order the program from PBS if you really want to see it.
     
  5. Apr 13, 2005 #4

    Ivan Seeking

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    If you go to the link you can probably find alternate viewing times. Also, these programs are often available online - either the full text or a video - after the initial airing.

    Btw, they pretty much ripped him to pieces. Dirty, dirty, dirty politics. The Swiftboat Vets were a classic example of Rovian villainy.
     
  6. Apr 13, 2005 #5
    Thanks to all for the suggestions--I will go to the PBS site and see if it will be aired again.
     
  7. Apr 13, 2005 #6

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    I highly recommend another program that was aired on PBS called "The Persuaders," which I mentioned in another thread some time back. The segment about politics showed how campaigns are now being conducted the same way as marketing, with the use of top marketing consultants. The idea of being a "consumer" to be marketed to in my purchase, I mean casting my vote offends me almost as much as being "proselyted" to in my conversion, I mean casting my vote.
     
  8. Apr 15, 2005 #7

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    According to Rove's own words, he is working to ensure that the Republican party controls the White House (such that no Democrat is ever elected president again), both the House and Senate, and the Supreme and Federal courts. In other words, he wants a one party state.
     
  9. Apr 15, 2005 #8
    If you ask Republicans what they think about that, most would probably agree with Rove because they don't see any problem with that, or controlling the judicial branch as well. So many Americans are so uninformed (what check and balances--what's that?), they just don't get it--and that's the truly frightening thing.
     
  10. Apr 15, 2005 #9

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    That's exactly right. By my definition...no, by defintion, he and his kind are un-American - they are enemies of the Constitution.

    They seek to destroy not only the spirit, but also the letter of Constitutional Law. One great current example is the effort to destroy the filibuster. Another is the intervention in the Schivo affair; followed by threats to the Federal judges who sided against them. I don't how much more clear it could be. But then again, that's what I thought five years ago.
     
  11. Apr 16, 2005 #10

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    A nation united or divided?

    First was the controversial presidential election in 2000, followed by the lies from Bush and administration to convince Congress and Americans to invade Iraq. Then Republicans broke the House Ethics Committee to protect Tom DeLay. Next Frist took the lead to intervene in the Terry Sciavo case. Now, if the Republicans do exercise the “nuclear option” to outlaw judicial filibusters in the Senate (the current understanding is that they will), I doubt there will be any more question whether our nation is united or divided.
     
  12. Jul 11, 2005 #11

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    a timely thread recycle
     
  13. Jul 11, 2005 #12

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    I was going to post in the new thread on the topic, but since this one has been revived...

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8504290/

    First, even if Rove didn't intend to leak, it was still damaging nonetheless. Aside from the silliness of proving intent in such cases, let's be consistent. Ignorance of the law, or unintentional breaking of the law does not mean a crime has not been committed.

    Second, Rove was trying to apply pressure on the "free press" on another matter in the process of leaking the information. Not to mention questionable motive of retaliation, as already posted in the other thread. Both are in keeping with his track record.

    Third, and most importantly, the White House is doing another turn about. The Bush administration just can't tell the truth upfront. :surprised

    In this Republican-dominated government, why do I suspect this investigation will go the way of many others, such as DeLay. :yuck:
     
  14. Jul 12, 2005 #13
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8545657/

    We need to clean house--the White House that is. Rove has always been a questionable person, and I always found it odd that a person with his title (advisor) had so much power in comparison to other administrations. Of course it would be great to be rid of DeLay, Frist, and a few others too, and hopefully Bush will remain a lame duck with minimal damage until we are finally rid of him. A Bush dynasty? Jeb, Cheney, Rice, other Bush relations...no can do. We need to be done with this crap.
     
  15. Jul 12, 2005 #14
    Exactly where do you see this guarantee of political power to any and all parties or political points of view? A good number of political powers with major national presence have risen and died in the past two centuries. Why aren't you out stumping for the right of Whigs to an electoral victory or two?

    Rev Prez
     
  16. Jul 12, 2005 #15
    Maybe you should focus on winning an election first.

    Then characterize his power. Name a single act of policy he devised and pushed for.

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  17. Jul 12, 2005 #16
    Rove through a miriad of resources, seduces the people with intensive repeated organized lies, contrived for any given situation. Cheney is the policy maker. GW is the puppet.

    The rottenest thing that I remember about Rove is the 2000 primary. After John McCain won New Hampshire Rove devastated the McCain effort in South Carolina by:

    Calling him a homosexual, when that didn't work they accused him of being unfaithful to his wife with other women?

    They accused him of fathering a child by a black prostitute.

    They accused him of treason.

    They referred to him as the Manchurian Candidate.

    And the one that to me was the most rotten:

    They sent out flyers with pictures of McCains dark skinned adpoted Bangladeshi daughter to "The Daughters of the Confederacy."
     
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  18. Jul 13, 2005 #17
    So barring your over-the-top demagoguery, Rove does not devise policy. And you, IL?

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    The title and first sentence from that link:
    Maybe we need to put this in braille.
     
  21. Jul 13, 2005 #20
    I believe his title is no longer "advisor" but "chief of staff" or something similar.
     
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