Kinematic Equations: Vector & Scalar Formulas

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The discussion centers on the kinematic equations for motion with constant acceleration, specifically exploring the relationship between vector and scalar forms of these equations. Participants examine how scalar equations can be derived from vector equations and seek to understand the origins of specific equations in the context of kinematics.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the vector equations for motion with constant acceleration and asks for the corresponding vector equation for the scalar equation (v_f)^2 = (v_0)^2 + 2a (x_f - x_0).
  • Another participant suggests that the scalar equation can be expressed for each component, providing the scalar forms for x, y, and z components.
  • A later reply indicates that the addition of the three scalar equations results in a single equation involving dot products, questioning the derivation of this equation.
  • Another participant proposes that the equation can be obtained by combining two of the initial vector equations, hinting at a missing variable in the process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the derivation of the equations or the specific relationships between the vector and scalar forms. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the relationships between the equations and the specific conditions under which they apply. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in deriving the equations.

fog37
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Hello Forum,
the kinematic equations for motion with constant acceleration are vector equations which can each be expanded into 3 scalar (or component equations). The vector equations are:

v_f = v_0 + a (Delta_t)

r_f
= r_0 + v_0 (Delta_t) + (0.5) a (Delta_t)^2

r_f
= r_0 + (0.5) (v_f + v_0) (Delta_t)

From these three vector equation we can write the corresponding scalar equations for the x,y and z components.

What about the scalar equation (v_f)^2 = (v_0)^2 +2a (x_f -x_0) ? It can be written for each scalar component.
What is the corresponding vector equation for it from which it comes from?

thanks
fog37
 
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fog37 said:
It can be written for each scalar component.
That is, $$v_{xf}^2 = v_{x0}^2 + 2a_x (x_f - x_0) \\ v_{yf}^2 = v_{y0}^2 + 2a_y (y_f - y_0) \\ v_{zf}^2 = v_{z0}^2 + 2a_z (z_f - z_0)$$ Add the three equations together. Are you familiar with the vector dot product?
 
Thanks! I see how the addition of the three gives a single equation with dot products:

[ v_f dot v_f ] = [ v_0 dot v_0 ]+ 2 [a dot (r_f - r_0) ]

correct? Where does this equation come from? I guess it derives from that single differential equation dv/dt = a ...
 
I think you can get it by combining two of the equations in your first post. Note which variable is "missing" from this equation.
 

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