Kinematics - Minimization of a period

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The discussion revolves around determining the optimal distance x_0 on an incline to minimize the period T of a mass's motion. The textbook claims the minimum occurs at x_0 = S/2, while the user consistently calculates it as S/4. After reviewing the equations and calculations, it appears that a factor of two was mistakenly dropped in the derivation process, leading to confusion. Graphical analysis supports the conclusion that the minimum period indeed occurs at S/4, suggesting that the textbook may contain an error. The user plans to contact the author for clarification on the discrepancy.
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Homework Statement


A mass is released from rest atop an incline angled at Θ relative to the horizon, from a certain distance up the incline (Not height), x_0. This point up the incline is denoted P.

The mass then travels along a horizontal path of length S.

The mass then goes up an incline angled at Θ relative to the horizon.

All surfaces are smooth, the layout looks something like this:

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What is the exact value of x so that T, the period of the motion (The time it takes the mass to return to the point P), is minimal?

The text-book answer is \frac{S}{2}
I keep getting \frac{S}{4}

I've also double-checked the book's answer, and the period is shorter for the book's answer.

Homework Equations


Kinematic equations.

The Attempt at a Solution


One period of motion consists of the mass going down the incline, traveling along the distance S, going up the opposite incline, going down the opposite incline, traveling back along the distance S and going back up the first incline.

The two motions along the distance S are identical, as are all 4 of the motions of the mass going up/down the inclines (As energy is conserved).

Therefore, the period is:
T=4t_1+2t_2
Where t_1 is the time it takes the mass to travel down the incline, or up the incline, and t_2 is the time it takes the mass to travel the distance S.

For the motion down the incline, with x measured along the incline from the point P:
x(t)=\frac{g\sin{\theta}}{2}t_1^{2}
x(t_1)=x_0
x_0=\frac{g\sin{\theta}}{2}t_1^{2}
t_1=\sqrt{\frac{2x_0}{g\sin{\theta}}}

The speed at the bottom of the incline is:
v_s=\sqrt{2g\sin{\theta}x_0}
x(t)=v_st
x(t_2)=S
t_2=\frac{S}{v_s}=\frac{S}{\sqrt{2g\sin{\theta}x_0}}

T=4t_1+2t_2
T(x_0)=4\sqrt{\frac{2x_0}{g\sin{\theta}}}+2\frac{S}{\sqrt{2g\sin{\theta}x_0}}
z\equiv\sqrt{x_0}
T(z)=(4\sqrt{\frac{2}{g\sin{\theta}}})z+(2\frac{S}{\sqrt{2g\sin{\theta}}})\frac{1}{z}
T'(z)=4\sqrt{\frac{2}{g\sin{\theta}}}-(2\frac{S}{\sqrt{2g\sin{\theta}}})\frac{1}{z^{2}}
T'(z_{min})=0
4\sqrt{\frac{2}{g\sin{\theta}}}=(2\frac{S}{\sqrt{2g\sin{\theta}}})\frac{1}{z^{2}}
\frac{1}{z^{2}}=(4\sqrt{\frac{2}{g\sin{\theta}}})(\frac{\sqrt{2g\sin{\theta}}}{2S})
\frac{1}{z^{2}}=4*\frac{1}{2S}*2=\frac{4}{S}
x_{0_{min}}=z_{min}^{2}=\frac{S}{4}

Bleh, could someone please read through it and tell me where I went wrong?

Thanks in advance, Anatoli.
 
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You dropped a factor of two when you solve for your minimum z. Your 4th-to-last line is correct, but you lose a two when you go to the 3rd-to-last line.

-Kerry
 
(1/z)' = -1/z2
 
KLoux said:
You dropped a factor of two when you solve for your minimum z. Your 4th-to-last line is correct, but you lose a two when you go to the 3rd-to-last line.

-Kerry

Err, yeah, I just noticed it myself. Thing is though, that the factor of two in the fourth-to-last line, was a typo limited to that line, and the line before it. The last couple of lines leading to x_0=\frac{S}{4} still stand. :\

I assume that's what LowlyPion was aiming at with his (1/z)'=-1/z² comment, as well.

I fixed the factor of two typo, but I'm still stumped.
 
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RoyalCat said:
I fixed the factor of two typo, but I'm still stumped.

Fwiw, I get S/4 in working it out. Maybe the book is wrong?
 
Hmmm, when I substitute x_0=\frac{S}{4} and solve for the period, I get something smaller than when I use x_0=\frac{S}{2}. So either your equation for the period is wrong, or the book's answer is wrong?

-Kerry
 
LowlyPion said:
Fwiw, I get S/4 in working it out. Maybe the book is wrong?

Yeah, I thought that might be the case, so I made the two substitutions x_0=\frac{S}{2} and x_0=\frac{S}{4}

Drawing the curve using Graphmatica, I can see the minimum really is at \frac{S}{4}
So that would mean either the book is wrong, or my derivation for T(x_0) is wrong.

Seeing how you got the same answer as I did, LowlyPion, I'm guessing the former is the reason. I guess I'll ask the writer then.

Thanks a bunch, everyone. :)
 
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