Kinetic and potential energy (satellite low orbit)

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The discussion revolves around calculating changes in kinetic and potential energy for a satellite whose orbit decreases due to air drag. The user is trying to derive the increase in orbital speed, change in kinetic energy, and gravitational potential energy using different methods, including derivatives and alternative transformations of the radius. There is confusion regarding the application of the transformation "r - △r" to the velocity equation and whether it can yield the same results as using derivatives. The user acknowledges that while derivation provides the necessary results, they are exploring other methods to confirm their understanding. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the relationships between kinetic energy, potential energy, and orbital mechanics.
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Hello, I have this problem statement : "Due to air drag, the radius of a satellite’s circular orbit decreases from r to r - △r, where the positive quantity △r is much less than r. The mass of the satellite is m. Show that the increase in orbital speed is △v = +(△r/2)[(GM/r^3)^1/2]; that the change in kinetic energy is △K = + (GMm/2r^2); that the change in gravitational potential energy is △U = -2△K= - (GMm/r^2)△r; and that the amount of work done by the force of air drag is W = - (GMm/2r^2)△r."
Well, I did the derivative for the velocity equation and I got v' = -(1/2)[(GM/r^3)^1/2], but another way to solve it could be using ""r - △r = (r - △r/r)r = (1-△r/r)r"", my problem is that I don't know how to apply that to the velocity equation.

Doing the derivative of the velocity I get the given results in the problem statement for the kinetic and potential energy, but if instead of doing the derivative...which other method could I use to get the same results?

△K = + (GMm/2r^2)
△U = -2△K= - (GMm/r^2)△r
 
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lucphysics said:
but another way to solve it could be using ""r - △r = (r - △r/r)r = (1-△r/r)r"", my problem is that I don't know how to apply that to the velocity equation.
I don't understand that approach, and the units do not match, so the formula cannot be right (probably just a typo however). What is the goal of that transformation?
 
Instead of use r as the unknown radius, use r - △r because the statement given says:
Due to air drag, the radius of a satellite’s circular orbit decreases from r to r - △r, where the positive quantity △r is much less than r.

But maybe I'm wrong and the only way to demonstrate that the variation of velocity is:
△v = +(△r/2)[(GM/r^3)^1/2]
Is by using derivation.

Ps: this problem is from the book of Sears Zemansky University Physics Vol. I
 
You can calculate the velocity at radius ##r-\Delta r## and at radius ##r## independently, of course, but approximating this to first order is very similar to taking the derivative.
 
Okay, thank you :)!
Another question, for the kinetic and potential energy...should I derivate the equations too?
 
Something like a derivative of some equation is probably useful. You don't need it, but it helps.
 
I'm so grateful for your help, thank you!
 
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