Kinetic energy density in a string (derivative)

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The discussion revolves around the concept of kinetic energy density in a string, particularly focusing on the expression for kinetic energy in relation to one-dimensional waves. Participants are examining the implications of the kinetic energy formula and its dependence on both position and time.

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  • Participants are exploring the relationship between kinetic energy and its dependence on time and position, questioning the validity of the derivative expressions provided. There is a discussion about whether kinetic energy should be treated as a function of both variables or just time.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of kinetic energy as a function of time and discussing the implications of the partial derivatives involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the kinetic energy expression, but no consensus has been reached on the derivative's formulation.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the treatment of kinetic energy as a function of both position and time, as well as the appropriateness of using total versus partial derivatives in this context.

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Homework Statement


In our physics course, we were studying one dimensional waves in a string. There, our teacher stated that the kinetic energy in a small piece of a string is dK=\frac{1}{2}μdx\frac{\partial y}{\partial t}^2 were μ is the linear density of the string, so he claimed that \frac{\text{d}K}{\text{d}x}=\frac{1}{2}μ\frac{\partial y}{\partial t}^2 which is impossible for me to understand, since K is a function of both x and t.

The Attempt at a Solution


Shouldn't we find the derivative of K=K(x,t) as \frac{\partial K}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial }{\partial x}(\frac{1}{2}μx)\frac{\partial y}{\partial t}^2+\frac{\partial }{\partial x}(\frac{\partial y}{\partial t}^2)\frac{1}{2}μx
What am i missing?
 
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I am going to assume that K is your symbol for kinetic energy (T is the more classical choice).

The statement for dK is correct. This is a differential mass multiplied by the square of the velocity and divided by 2.

The kinetic energy (K) is a single time depenndent quantity, not a function of position. To find K(t), you would need to integrate the expression for dK over the length of the string.

Why does he even bother to write dK/dx? Does he really mean a total derivative, or perhaps a partial derivative?
 
Thanks for replying,
it makes sense that kinetic energy is only a function of time physically, however by looking the equation above since y=y(x,t), shouldn't ∂y/∂t be also a function of both position and time?
 
With y = y(x,t), then partial y wrt t is a function of both x and t, so that much is correct.
 

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