Kinetic theory of gasses Integration problem

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The discussion centers on calculating the work done by a nonideal gas when its temperature increases from 314 K to 324 K at constant pressure. The pressure is defined by the equation p = (24.9 J/K) T/V - (0.00662 J/K²)T²/V. Participants explore how to set the limits of integration for the work equation W = integral(p dv) and whether to treat temperature as a constant during integration. It is clarified that the pressure can be expressed in terms of temperature and volume, allowing the integration to be performed with respect to temperature instead. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly substituting variables and understanding the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature in the integration process.
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Homework Statement


In the temperature range 310 K and 330 K, the pressure p of a certain nonideal gas is related to volume V and temperature T by
p = (24.9 J/K) T/V - (0.00662 J/K2)T^2/V
How much work is done by the gas if its temperature is raised from 314 K to 324 K while the pressure is held constant?


Homework Equations


Pv=NRT
W=integral(p dv)


The Attempt at a Solution



W=integral((24.9 J/K) T/V - (0.00662 J/K2)T^2/V dv)
I am not sure what to use for the limits of integration. the problem gives me a range of temperatures, is there any way that I can use those? I am very sure the limits of integration should be in units of m^3.
 
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HINT: Can you use the given equation to calculate the change in volume from the change in temperature?
 
Then I get V1=7165.9J/P and V2=7414.6J/P. can I use those as the limits of Integration?
 
brett812718 said:
Then I get V1=7165.9J/P and V2=7414.6J/P. can I use those as the limits of Integration?
I would say so :smile:
 
what do I do with the T and T^2 parts of the pressure equation?
 
brett812718 said:
what do I do with the T and T^2 parts of the pressure equation?
Notice that when you substitute the limits in, the expressions for pressure cancel.
 
I think i am doing somthing wrong. I integrate the equation p = (24.9 J/K) T/V - (0.00662 J/K2)T^2/V right? so what do I do with the T and T^2? Would I treat them as a constant during integration?
 
No, T is not constant. You know that
p = (24.9 J/K) T/V - (0.00662 J/K2)T^2/V
with P constant. That is the same as
V = (24.9 J/K) T/P - (0.00662 J/K2)T^2/P

dV= [(24.9 J/K)/V - (0.00662 J/K2)(2T)/V]dT

and you can do the entire integral in terms of T.
 
how did you get p to cancel out?
 
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brett812718 said:
how did you get p to cancel out?
'Cancel out' was a poor phrase to use. I should have said 'change of variable', it's been a long day :zzz:
 
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