Kirchoff's radiative balance law and polarisation of emitted light

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The discussion centers around the relationship between the polarization of light reflected from a surface and the polarization of light emitted from that surface, particularly in the context of Kirchoff's law of radiative balance. Participants explore the implications of this law on the polarization of emitted light, especially when viewed at an angle, and consider the physical principles involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the polarization of reflected light implies that emitted light is also polarized, expressing uncertainty about the physical basis for this connection.
  • Another participant suggests that ocean emission is polarized due to Kirchoff's law, which states that emissivity equals absorptivity, and that since reflection is polarized, absorption must be as well.
  • A different participant clarifies that the laws governing reflection and transmission of light at a plane interface, described by the Fresnel equations, indicate that different polarizations are transmitted and reflected differently.
  • It is noted that at the Brewster angle, reflected light can achieve perfect linear polarization, which is relevant to the discussion of emitted light polarization.
  • One participant acknowledges their understanding of the Fresnel equations and expresses a desire for a deeper derivation related to their question.
  • Another participant mentions that the emitted light may have a non-zero degree of polarization and references conservation of energy in relation to Kirchoff's law.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the connection between reflected and emitted light polarization, with some supporting the idea that they are related through Kirchoff's law, while others remain uncertain about the physical reasoning behind this relationship. The discussion does not reach a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various principles, including the Fresnel equations and Brewster's angle, but there are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions underlying the relationship between reflection, absorption, and emission polarization.

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I'm looking at a surface at an angle. Light reflected to me is polarised (Fresnel), does this mean light emitted to me from the surface is also polarised?

I've been told that ocean emission is polarised (when looking at an angle) because of Kirchoff's law of radiative balance (emissivity = absorptivity = 1 - transmission - reflection). They've told me that since reflection is polarised at that angle, absorption must be polarised and therefore emission is too.

But I don't see why it has to be and physically I don't see where it comes from. The only possible source I can see is something to do with the angle of observation. Can anyone help me?
 
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Usually, both polarisations are not transmitted and reflected in the same way at a plane interface.
Therefore, the reflected light has a different polarisation mix than the incident light.

This is completely described by the Fresnel laws.
The Fresnel laws are a consequence of the Maxwell equations.

On wikipedia you can read the Fresnel laws in detail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_equations

There is a special angle of incidence, called the Brewster angle, where one polarisation (E field in the incidence plane) is not reflected at all. In this case, the reflected light has a perfect linear polarisation, perpendicular to the incidence plane.
See there for the details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster's_angle

The Brewster angle is a consequence of the Fresnel laws.
The Fresnel laws are a consequence of the Maxwell's equations.
The Maxwell's equations are the law of electromagnetism.
 
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Mark.R said:
I'm looking at a surface at an angle. Light reflected to me is polarised (Fresnel), does this mean light emitted to me from the surface is also polarised?

I've been told that ocean emission is polarised (when looking at an angle) because of Kirchoff's law of radiative balance (emissivity = absorptivity = 1 - transmission - reflection). They've told me that since reflection is polarised at that angle, absorption must be polarised and therefore emission is too.

But I don't see why it has to be and physically I don't see where it comes from. The only possible source I can see is something to do with the angle of observation. Can anyone help me?

The emitted light may have a non-zero degree of polarization:

http://www.opticsinfobase.org/abstract.cfm?URI=ao-38-8-1384

Kirchoff's law is simply conservation of energy.
 
Thanks for the replies.

I'd already checked wiki and I can derive and apply the Fresnel equations (which is how I know reflected stuff can be polarised!) I think I didn't explain my question properly, but Andy has provided exactly the sort of derivation I'm looking for. Thanks Andy!
 

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