Lagrangian Mechanics: Degree of Freedom & Constraints

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of degree of freedom and constraints in Lagrangian mechanics, focusing on their definitions, examples, and implications in various scenarios. Participants explore these concepts in the context of both theoretical understanding and practical application.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines degree of freedom as the number of independent coordinates needed to describe a system's state, providing examples for particles in three dimensions and constrained motion on a sphere.
  • Another participant explains that a constraint is an equation or inequality relating coordinates, emphasizing its role in the Lagrangian formulation.
  • A question is posed regarding the degree of freedom for five particles moving freely in a plane, prompting clarification on whether constraints need to be considered.
  • A later reply confirms that if the five particles are independent, the total degrees of freedom would indeed be calculated as 3 times 5, equaling 15.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of degree of freedom and constraints, but the discussion regarding the specific case of multiple particles and potential constraints remains open to further exploration.

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The discussion does not resolve whether constraints apply to the scenario of multiple particles, leaving the implications of independence and constraints in this context unclear.

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I am self trying to understand Lagrangian mechanics and I have come across with Degree of freedom and constraints which I think I understood in bits. So please try to explain these terms to me. I use Goldstein's Classical Mechanics.
 
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Degree of freedom is the number of independent coordinates with which you can entirely describe the state of a system.

For example a particle in three dimensions has 3 degrees of freedom. He can be described either by Cartesian coordinates x,y,z or Spherical coordinates r,theta,phi but you will always need three numbers to describe its location.
Two particles in three dimensions have 6 degrees of freedom (3 coordinates per each)

A particle that is constrained to move on a shell of a sphere has only two degrees of freedom. One way to see it is that in Polar coordinates you have r set to a fixed number, and you only have "control" over the angles. Another way to see it is to use Cartesian coordinates x,y,z. Apparently you have 3 coordinates, but you have to include the equation x^2+y^2+z^2=R^2. So if you know 2 coordinates, you'll immediately know the third one. Meaning, you still have 2 degrees of freedom.

A constraint is an equation (or an inequality) that describes a relation between the coordinates, usually of the form F(q1,q2,q3,...)=0.

Notice that this a constraint on the coordinates, and that this is an equation. This is the basic constraint you're dealing with in the Lagrangian formulation, and that usually the constraint that you are referring to when talking about degrees of freedom.

For example another constraint might be x^2+y^2+z^2<=R^2 for a single particle. The particle is trapped inside a sphere, but you still require 3 coordinates to describe him.
 
So, if there are five particles moving freely in a plane, do we have to consider constraints there or we can simply write the number of degree of freedoms as 3*5=15
 
Can I have some help here?
 
you are right. If there are 5 particles independent of each other. degrees of freedom=3*5=15
 

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