LaTeX rendering in the S&GR forum

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The discussion revolves around issues with LaTeX rendering in the S&GR forum, particularly focusing on inconsistencies across different threads and browsers. Participants explore the functionality of LaTeX in various contexts, including recent changes to the server and their effects on rendering.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that LaTeX rendering works in other forums but not in the S&GR forum, raising questions about potential browser or OS issues.
  • Testing of LaTeX equations like E = mc^2 shows mixed results, with some participants confirming it works while others report failures in specific threads, such as the photon mass thread.
  • There are reports of LaTeX appearing with a white background instead of the expected grey, which some participants find visually unappealing.
  • Several participants mention that LaTeX images created after a recent server change work fine, while those created before the change are not visible and show error messages.
  • One participant suggests that the LaTeX generation software may have been updated, leading to differences in rendering and background transparency.
  • Concerns are raised about changes in font rendering and readability, with some participants expressing dissatisfaction with the new antialiasing routine.
  • Participants discuss potential workarounds for the rendering issues, including adjusting gamma settings to improve visibility.

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Participants generally agree that there are issues with LaTeX rendering, particularly related to recent server changes, but there is no consensus on the extent of the problems or the effectiveness of proposed solutions. Multiple competing views on the nature of the rendering issues and their impact remain present.

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Limitations include unresolved questions about the specific changes made to the server and their effects on LaTeX rendering, as well as varying experiences across different browsers and threads.

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has anyone else noticed that LaTeX rendering seems to be working in the other forums but not this one? i might have thought that something was wrong with my browser (Firefox) or OS (Mac OSX), but the other forums seem to be able to render LaTeX math just fine.

anyone know what the deal is?
 
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Testing...

[tex]E = m c^2[/tex]

Seems to work OK.
 
Doc Al said:
Testing...

[tex]E = m c^2[/tex]

Seems to work OK.

hmmmm. yes it does (here).

doesn't seem to work for any posts in the photon mass thread. not for my posts or anyone else's.

if it's just my browser, i don't understand why just that thread.
 
testing...

rbj said:
hmmmm. yes it does (here).

doesn't seem to work for any posts in the photon mass thread. not for my posts or anyone else's.

if it's just my browser, i don't understand why just that thread.
testing...

rbj said:
but, as long as we're being fair, i didn't say [itex]E=m_0c^2[/itex]. i said [itex]E=m c^2[/itex]and we can show that the above is true from

[tex]E = m c^2[/tex]

[tex]m = \frac{m_0}{\sqrt{1 - \frac{v^2}{c^2}}}[/tex]

and

[tex]p = m v[/tex]is that relation wrong ([itex]p = mv[/itex] where [itex]m = \gamma m_0[/itex])? it comes from my human need to have to commit to memory the fewest fundamental equations as possible. all i have to add to the list is [itex]m = \gamma m_0[/itex].
wow. works here but not there.well, i tested new posts there and even edited a pos of mine that was less than a day old and the new edits show the LaTeX, but none of the previous posts, mine or others, show the LaTeX.
 
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Testing:

[tex]\rho_{crit} = \frac{3H_0^2}{8\pi G}[/tex]

EDIT That didn't work before on my browser since the change of server. It didn't work either when 'PMing'.
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I'm using IE6.0, and no matter what forum I'm in, LaTeX now appears on a white background. Normally, it would be black text with a grey background that blended in perfectly with the background of the rest of the post. Now LaTeX is appearing in white boxes.
 

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I got the same problem with Firefox 1.5.
 
rbj said:
doesn't seem to work for any posts in the photon mass thread. not for my posts or anyone else's.
I just tried it in that thread. It worked for me.
 
There appears to be something going on... I've noticed this problem in the thread on Kaku's QFT book in the QM forum too. And there is no background transparency in the PNGs as there used to be. The LaTeX generation also appears to be ever-so-slightly different.

Maybe they changed/updated the LaTeX generation software on the server recently?
 
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All LaTeX images created after the change work fine. Any LaTeX images before the change cannot be generated anymore and are no longer visible. I do not know what this change is though but I believe it occurred about 48 hours ago.
 
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Oxymoron said:
All LaTeX images created after the change work fine. Any LaTeX images before the change cannot be generated anymore and are no longer visible. I do not know what this change is though but I believe it occurred about 48 hours ago.

i'm relieved that someone else has noticed. and yes, the LaTeX equations generated now do have white background even if the other background is grey. but, the TeX equations in that "photon mass" thread on the first page, do not show at all on my Mac and there are messages saying "LaTeX graphic is being generated. Reload this page in a moment." and in some places where equations of other posts were quoted, there is a message in red letters: "LaTeX image generation failed. The LaTeX source for this image is invalid.". but clicking on that shows valid LaTeX code.
 
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The LaTeX system was down for a day or so when we recently moved to a new server. All posts made during that time will show the "LaTeX graphic is being generated" message, though, as you can tell, no LaTeX graphic is actually forthcoming.

Yes, in fact, all LaTeX images generated now have a white background. I'm not happy about this, but I'm having to scrounge around to find a solution. The back-end image software on the server was changed recently, causing some problems with the transparency. I will definitely be working on it.

- Warren
 
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I believe most of the aforementioned problems have been solved. It just appears that some posts that were made during this changeover aren't displayed. But that's a minor gripe, really.

However, does anyone else notice that the fonts for rendering the output are different? Or am I just going crazy...
 
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I got the same impression. Seems to be finer (and less readable on my old tft).
 
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Yes, the new antialiasing routine is, in fact, pretty annoying to me. It's not nearly as readable as it used to be. I will be working on improving it, as soon as I can find out what was done to ghostscript in the first place...

- Warren
 
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Here's a hack that might work for now... assuming that imagemagick is available:

convert -gamma 0.2 oldfile.png newfile.png
 
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robphy,

Hum, you mean the problem is just that the antialiased pixels are too light in intensity? I didn't realize it could be as simple as correcting the gamma. I don't need imagemagick to play with the gamma; the pnm tools will do it, also. I'll give it a try. Thanks!

- Warren
 
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Okay, adjusting the gamma does indeed make the font strokes appear darker, but at the expense of the antialiasing quality. It doesn't solve the fundamental issue. They still don't look quite right.

- Warren
 

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