Length contraction and rod falling thorough a grate ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of length contraction in the context of a rod moving towards a hole that is shorter than its rest length. Participants explore whether the rod will fall into the hole, considering different frames of reference and the implications of simultaneity in special relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that from the rod's perspective, it retains its rest length while the hole appears to be moving towards it, potentially preventing the rod from falling in.
  • Another participant references the barn-pole paradox and hints at examining the simultaneity of events in different frames to understand the situation better.
  • A question is raised about why the rod appears to bend into the hole in one frame, indicating a need for clarification on the perception of the rod's motion.
  • It is noted that the key to the paradox lies in the non-simultaneity of events for different observers, particularly regarding the timing of when both ends of the rod are over the hole.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of length contraction and simultaneity, indicating that multiple competing interpretations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the behavior of objects in relativistic contexts and the dependence on the chosen frame of reference. The resolution of the paradox is not fully explored, leaving open questions about the physical interpretation of the events.

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If i have a rod of length L at rest . And there is a hole up ahead that is L/2 and I move the rod at a velocity which will contract it to half its rest length. Will the rod fall into the grate?
Well I think that from the rods point of view its still its rest length and it would appear that the hole is moving at it and the hole would appear length contracted and so the rod would not fall into the hole. Is this correct?
But then I guess we could say that the hole is stationary and the rod is moving at it and the the rod would appear to be length contracted from the holes point of view.
 
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This is a variation on the barn-pole paradox, and your version is even mentioned on that Wikipedia page.

If you don't want to read the solution right away, let me give you a hint: consider the events "front of the rod reaches the front of the gap" and "back of the rod reaches the back of the gap" and examine their simultaneity in both frames.
 
Thanks for your answer, so in the one frame it will appear that the rod gets bent into the hole why does it appear to bend?
 
The whole clue to the paradox is, that events that are simultaneous for both ends in one frame, are not simultaneous in another frame.

So for example, suppose that you assume that the rod falls vertically into the hole. Then physically: "the downward acceleration only starts once both ends are over the gap". The part in italics is the problem, because in one of the frames, both ends are never over the gap at the same time.
 

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