Length contraction on charged wire

In summary, the conversation discusses the effects of length contraction and the calculation of the electric and magnetic fields in the presence of an infinite charged wire. It is pointed out that these effects do not only occur in the case of an infinite wire, but can also be observed in a loop. The seeming paradox of increased total charge in the infinite wire scenario is attributed to the concept of infinity, similar to Hilbert's hotel paradox. The relativistic analysis of the infinite wire is a classic way of introducing magnetism and can lead to other seeming paradoxes that can be resolved by considering the frame-dependence of simultaneity.
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Lets say we have an infinite charged wire with a line charge [itex] \lambda [/itex]
on it. Now when I move with respect to this wire the E field will increase do to length contraction. And there will also be a B field that we could calculate with ampere's law.
But the increased E would make it seem that there is more total charge.
Because the E field exists every where in space at a stronger strength.
Is this only because we have an infinite wire that this is happening?
 
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port31 said:
Lets say we have an infinite charged wire with a line charge [itex] \lambda [/itex]
on it. Now when I move with respect to this wire the E field will increase do to length contraction. And there will also be a B field that we could calculate with ampere's law.
But the increased E would make it seem that there is more total charge.
Because the E field exists every where in space at a stronger strength.
Is this only because we have an infinite wire that this is happening?

No, an infinite length is not required.

Also check out the description of this problem in the FAQ at http://www.edu-observatory.org/physics-faq/Relativity/SR/experiments.html#Length_Contraction... You don't need Ampere's Law to calculate the B field at all; it turns out that the velocity-dependent contraction of the E field produces exactly the same forces as the classically computed B field.
 
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port31 said:
But the increased E would make it seem that there is more total charge. Because the E field exists every where in space at a stronger strength. Is this only because we have an infinite wire that this is happening?

Here's an analysis with a loop rather than an infinite wire: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=631446 The finite total charge on the loop is the same in both frames, because charge is a relativistic scalar.

The seeming paradox in the case of the infinite wire doesn't seem to me to be specifically about relativity or E&M. I think it's really just a paradox about infinity of the same general flavor as Hilbert's hotel paradox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert's_paradox_of_the_Grand_Hotel

The relativistic analysis of the infinite wire is a classic way of introducing magnetism. This pedagogy originated with Purcell. This WP article discusses it in some detail: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_electromagnetism There are other seeming paradoxes that can come up when you do this approach. See, e.g., the discussion question at the end of section 23.2 of this book: http://www.lightandmatter.com/lm/ . The resolution is that the paradox (not yours, but the one stated there) is stated in a way that incorrectly assumes simultaneity to be frame-independent.
 

1. What is length contraction on a charged wire?

Length contraction on a charged wire refers to the phenomenon in which the length of a wire appears to contract when it is moving at high speeds. This is due to the effects of special relativity, which states that the length of an object will appear shorter in the direction of its motion when observed from a different frame of reference.

2. How does length contraction on a charged wire occur?

Length contraction on a charged wire occurs due to the Lorentz transformation, which describes how measurements of space and time change between different frames of reference in special relativity. When a wire is moving at high speeds, its length appears to contract in the direction of its motion as observed from a stationary frame of reference.

3. What factors affect the amount of length contraction on a charged wire?

The amount of length contraction on a charged wire is affected by two main factors: the speed of the wire and the strength of the electric charge on the wire. As the speed and/or charge increase, the amount of length contraction also increases. This effect becomes more noticeable at higher speeds and charges.

4. How is length contraction on a charged wire measured?

Length contraction on a charged wire can be measured by comparing the length of the wire when it is stationary to its length when it is moving at high speeds. This can be done using various experimental techniques, such as using a ruler, a laser interferometer, or a clock synchronization method.

5. What are some real-life applications of length contraction on a charged wire?

Length contraction on a charged wire is a fundamental concept in physics, and it has various real-life applications. For example, it is important to consider length contraction when designing high-speed particle accelerators, as the length of the particles' paths will appear to be shorter when they are moving at high speeds. It is also relevant in the development of technology, such as GPS systems, which rely on the principles of special relativity to accurately measure time and distance.

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