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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the physical features that contribute to the thinness of lenses, including factors such as curvature, refractive index, and the implications for optical performance. Participants explore the relationship between lens thickness, distortion, and material properties, as well as comparisons with mirrors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the focal length of a lens is influenced by both curvature and refractive index, suggesting that higher refractive index materials allow for thinner lenses.
  • It is mentioned that thinner lenses can result in less spherical aberration due to reduced curvature, but this may come at the cost of increased chromatic aberration in higher index materials.
  • One participant raises a question about whether minimizing spherical aberration requires less or more radius of curvature, leading to a clarification that a larger radius corresponds to less curvature.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between parabolic and spherical mirrors, with some participants noting that parabolic mirrors do not exhibit spherical aberration, while spherical mirrors can have slight aberration depending on their design.
  • Participants express varying experiences with eyeglass lenses, particularly regarding the trade-offs between thickness, weight, and optical quality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the trade-offs involved in lens design, particularly concerning curvature, thickness, and optical aberrations. The discussion remains unresolved on some technical aspects, such as the optimal curvature for minimizing spherical aberration.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of curvature and aberration, and there are unresolved mathematical considerations regarding the relationships between lens properties and performance.

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lens -- What physical features makes a lens thin?

What physical features makes a lens thin? How can you differentiate one lens from the other based on their thickness? What is the measure of their thickness?
 
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Are you referring to the fact that you have to pay through the nose for posh spectacles?
The focal length of a lens depends upon the curvature AND the refractive index of the glass / plastic. You need less curvature (hence you can have a thinner lens) if you use a higher refractive index.
The thinner the lens, the less distortion (spherical aberration) you get because the curvature is less.
I have a friend who had the option of thick 'bottle glass' specs, which would have a very limited field of undistorted view, with rings round the outside or some reasonable ones which were thinner and were made of glass with a vast amount of heavy metals in the mix (£££££££!). With the expensive ones, her eyes look 'normal' and she can see over a much bigger range of angles.
 


For a given lens power, the lens made of higher index material can be thinner. The thinner lens should have lower geometric aberration. However, a lot of higher index materials have higher chromatic aberration (lower Abbe number), so it's a tradeoff. My experience with eyeglass stores is that they want to push you to buy expensive lenses, which often have low Abbe number, so they don't tell you about this tradeoff.

You can measure thickness with calipers.
 


Yebbut the thin ones are a lot lighter.
 


In general, If you want to minimize spherical aberration, we should have less radius of curvature or more radius of curvature?
 


Bigger radius - that would, I think, be describes as having less curvature. Nicely confusing language! Zero curvature (infinite radius) would have no spherical aberration - but not be much use as a lens, of course.
 


sophiecentaur said:
Bigger radius - that would, I think, be describes as having less curvature. Nicely confusing language! Zero curvature (infinite radius) would have no spherical aberration - but not be much use as a lens, of course.

If it is having infinite radius, it will be a glass slab:).
Is there any relationship between parabollic mirrors and spherical mirrors?
 
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Puneeth423 said:
If it is having infinite radius, it will a glass slab:).
Is there any relationship between parabollic mirrors and spherical mirrors?

Uhh, one is curved in the shape of part of a sphere, the other is curved in the shape of a paraboloid. The latter will not have any spherical aberration, but will have severe coma when your light isn't right on the optical axis.
 


Thank you all.
 
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There is not much difference for a small diameter, large radius reflector of either type but the essence of the paraboloid is that all rays parallel with the principle axis are reflected exactly to one focus. All paths for rays reflected onto the focus are exactly the same length. For a small field of view this gives a 'perfect image'. Afaik, though, reflecting telescope mirrors are ground to be spherical because that's what you get when you grind one flat plate against another, with a circular 'rolling' motion - one convex and one concave spherical surface. They always use a long focal length so spherical aberration is slight for any shape. Microwave dishes are normally (always?) parabolic because they have a relatively wide aperture for their focal length and you get a good image onto the feed point for sources 'on axis'. They aren't always 'symmetrical', though but have an offset feed.
 
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Ah well - I now see that reflectors are usually paraboloidal. I guess the ones I was referring to were the home constructed ones that my colleagues made.
 

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