Levitating a magnet over a superconducting ring?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of levitating a magnet within a superconducting pipe or ring. Participants explore theoretical and experimental aspects, including the application of the method of images and the behavior of superconductors in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of levitating a magnet in a superconducting structure and suggests using the method of images to model the magnet as a current loop.
  • Another participant provides links to external resources related to magnetic levitation, indicating a broader context for the discussion.
  • A participant discusses the stability of a magnet balanced over another with reversed poles, noting that misalignment can cause radial displacement.
  • It is suggested that an array of superconducting loops could approximate a superconducting surface, potentially allowing for stable levitation.
  • Some participants assert that the diamagnetic effect allows for levitation despite Earnshaw's theorem, particularly with type II superconductors, which utilize flux pinning for stabilization.
  • Concerns are raised about energy dissipation when moving the magnet, with speculation that this energy may contribute to heating the lattice of the superconductor.
  • A question is posed regarding the meaning of "field configuration," specifically whether it refers to the orientation of the magnet.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of levitation, the applicability of Earnshaw's theorem, and the specifics of energy dissipation. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of superconductors and the conditions under which levitation occurs, which may not be fully resolved or universally accepted among participants.

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Is it possible to levitate a magnet in a superconducting pipe or a ring?
Is it possible to try to calculate this using the method of images and treat the magnet as a little current loop? Any input will be much appreciated.
 
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This should give you the same stability as balancing one magnet over another where the poles are reversed. But any misalignment of axes will result in the magnet being pushed off radially. An array of superconducting loops over a surface may work as they approximate a superconducting surface.

I think this is an inexact approximation, where a large surface covered with small superconducting loops would allow freedom over the plane with velocity of the magnet unchanged from an intial velocity and the height fixed above the surface.
 
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Yes, we actually do that at rino, a Dutch student organisation that goes around schools to inform kids about physics.
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Phrak said:
This should give you the same stability as balancing one magnet over another where the poles are reversed. But any misalignment of axes will result in the magnet being pushed off radially. An array of superconducting loops over a surface may work as they approximate a superconducting surface.

No, it is different. Remember that we are dealing with a diamagnetic effect here, so Earnshaw's theorem does not apply. Hence, it IS possible and it has been done, it is just very difficult if you are using a type I superconductor.

In most experiments (including the one in the above picture) type II superconductors are used. Here the magnet is "stabilized" by flux pinning which holds it in place (if you try to move the magnet it feels a bit like moving it in gel).
Note that the pinning can be "dynamic"; you are free to move the magnet (or the SC) as long as the field configuration stays the same. This is why it is e,g, possible make levitating model trains (with a SC in the "engine" levitating over a magnetic strip); when I was a PhD student we used a train to demonstrate superconductivity for visitors and undergraduates.
 
f95toli said:
No, it is different. Remember that we are dealing with a diamagnetic effect here, so Earnshaw's theorem does not apply. Hence, it IS possible and it has been done, it is just very difficult if you are using a type I superconductor.

In most experiments (including the one in the above picture) type II superconductors are used. Here the magnet is "stabilized" by flux pinning which holds it in place (if you try to move the magnet it feels a bit like moving it in gel). [\quote]

I've been curious about this. If it take energy to move it about, where it doesn't rebound in position, there is energy being dissipated somewhere. It seems it must go into heating the lattice, but I can only guess at the cause.


Note that the pinning can be "dynamic"; you are free to move the magnet (or the SC) as long as the field configuration stays the same. This is why it is e,g, possible make levitating model trains (with a SC in the "engine" levitating over a magnetic strip); when I was a PhD student we used a train to demonstrate superconductivity for visitors and undergraduates.

By field configuration, I'm guessing you mean the orientation of the magnet. Is that correct?
 

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