L'Hopital's Rule and Infinite Limits

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of L'Hopital's Rule to limits that result in indeterminate forms, specifically focusing on whether an infinite limit obtained through this method is considered valid. The context includes mathematical reasoning and the exploration of specific limits involving derivatives and Bessel functions.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of applying L'Hopital's Rule to obtain an infinite limit from an indeterminate form.
  • Another participant confirms that obtaining an infinite limit in this context is valid, requesting clarification on the specific limit being discussed.
  • A specific limit involving a function P and its derivatives is presented, demonstrating the application of L'Hopital's Rule leading to an infinite result.
  • A later reply agrees with the application of L'Hopital's Rule in the presented scenario, affirming its validity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the application of L'Hopital's Rule to the limit discussed is valid, with no significant disagreement on this point.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves specific conditions regarding the constants in the function P, which are chosen to ensure that P(1)=0 and P'(1)=0, leading to the indeterminate form necessary for L'Hopital's Rule.

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Say you have a limit in indeterminate form (0/0 or infinity/infinity) and you apply L'Hopital's rule to it and the result is an infinite limit. Is that a valid answer? Can L'Hopital's rule be applied in this way?
 
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Yes, that is valid.

Can you give us the limit to make sure we mean the same thing here??
 
Here's the limit I'm thinking of:

[tex] <br /> \lim_{\substack{R\rightarrow 1}} \frac{RP'}{P},<br /> [/tex]

where primes are derivatives w.r.t. R. Also,

[tex] <br /> P= c R J_1(\alpha R) - \frac{R^2 F}{\alpha^2},<br /> [/tex]

where J_1 is a Bessel function of the first kind. Two of the three constants (c,alpha,F) are chosen such that [itex]P(1)=0[/itex] and [itex]P'(1)=0[/itex] and the third is chosen for convenience. Thus the limit is in the form 0/0, so L'Hopital's rule leads to the following:

[tex] <br /> \lim_{\substack{R\rightarrow 1}} \frac{RP'}{P}=\left[1+R\frac{P''}{P'}\right]_{R=1}\rightarrow \infty<br /> [/tex]
 
Ah yes. What you did is indeed a valid use of l'hospital's rule.
 

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