Light intensity and wave behavior of light

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The discussion centers on the relationship between light intensity and the wave behavior of light, particularly in the context of two light bulbs and their combined brightness. Participants explore concepts of coherence, interference, and the nature of light as a wave, with implications for both theoretical understanding and practical observation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why two light bulbs produce twice the brightness of a single bulb, suggesting that interference effects should lead to fluctuations in brightness rather than a straightforward doubling.
  • Another participant states that photons do not interact with each other, emphasizing that only the photons that reach the observer are noticed, and that a photon's wave function can interfere with itself but not with other photons.
  • A simplified argument is presented, indicating that intensity is proportional to the square of the amplitude, leading to an average intensity from two sources that is twice that of a single source, despite the presence of destructive interference at certain points.
  • One participant reiterates the importance of coherence, arguing that the random nature of interference from incoherent light sources results in no observable pattern of fringes.
  • A later reply questions whether a single source without destructive spots would yield the same intensity doubling, suggesting an alternative perspective on the averaging of amplitudes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of coherence and interference in the context of light intensity. While some agree on the role of amplitude and intensity, there is no consensus on the observable effects of interference from incoherent light sources.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the behavior of light, particularly regarding coherence and the conditions under which interference effects can be observed. The mathematical steps and assumptions involved in the arguments are not fully resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying optics, wave behavior, or the principles of light and intensity in physics, as well as individuals curious about the nature of light sources and their interactions.

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Hello PF'ers,

Why is it that two light-bulbs produce twice as much brightness as a single light-bulb would? If we restrict our attention to a single point in space where light from the two sources meet, the waves would cancel half of the time and reinforce half of the time, producing on average no greater brightness than a single bulb working alone, unless the two sources produce all waves exactly in phase all the time, which is highly improbable. The brightness would be constantly fluctuating, but I guess our brains are too slow to observe that (not claiming that this is indeed what actually happens).

I know that coherent light is a prerequisite for interference effects and everyday sources of light aren't coherent, but still light behaves like a wave in most ordinary circumstances so there should be some discernible interference on average at least?
 
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Photons don't interact with each other. There is a huge, messy network of photons in between you and your computer screen going every which way but you only notice the photons that hit your pupil. A photon's wave function can destructively interfere with itself, but not between two photons.
 
The (very) simplified argument: Intensity is proportional to the square of the amplitude. In your case you would have zero amplitude in the destructive spots and twice the amplitude in the constructive. The average intensity would be (0+2^2)/2 = 2 times that of a single source.

Of course, visible light wavelength would be too small to observe this interference even if you had two bulbs sending out coherent light.
 
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I believe it boils down to the fact that the light emitted from a lightbulb is not coherent, so the interference is completely random, leading to no observable pattern of fringes. In other words, some waves would interfere constructively, some destructively, and most somewhere in between.
 
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Orodruin said:
The (very) simplified argument: Intensity is proportional to the square of the amplitude. In your case you would have zero amplitude in the destructive spots and twice the amplitude in the constructive. The average intensity would be (0+2^2)/2 = 2 times that of a single source.

Of course, visible light wavelength would be too small to observe this interference even if you had two bulbs sending out coherent light.
That's a neat, intuitive explanation. Though, I wonder if things wouldn't be the same if there's a single source with no destructive spots at all i.e something like (1+1)^2/2=2?

Thank you so much, Orodruin!
 
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