Incoherence of Light Sources: Phase Difference & Intensity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of incoherence in light sources, specifically addressing the implications of phase differences on intensity when two light sources are combined. It explores both theoretical and practical aspects of wave characteristics in light, including how rapidly changing phase differences affect intensity measurements.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why two light sources with rapidly changing phase differences are considered incoherent, suggesting that this leads to the intensities simply adding up.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical expression for the intensity of superimposed waves, indicating that if the phase difference varies rapidly, the contribution from the cosine term becomes negligible, allowing for the intensities to be approximated as a simple sum.
  • A third participant expresses uncertainty about the definition of "incoherent," suggesting that it may imply a random phase change rather than a predictable one, and contrasts the addition of power for incoherent sources with the addition of voltage for coherent sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit differing views on the definition of incoherence and the implications of phase differences, indicating that multiple competing interpretations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of coherence and incoherence, as well as assumptions about the nature of phase changes in light sources that are not fully explored in the discussion.

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Why will it happen so that-two light sources such that the
''phase difference between the two vibrating sources changes
rapidly with time, we say that the two sources are incoherent and when
this happens the intensities just add up ''

assuming that the wave characteristics of light are significant
 
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The intensity of the superposition of two waves are in general
$$
|E(t)|^2 = |E_1(t)|^2 + |E_2(t)|^2 + 2|E_1(t)||E_2(t)|\cos \Delta\phi(t)
$$
The intensity is perceived by a classical detector as an integrated signal over a certain time interval. If the phase difference ##\Delta \phi(t)## varies very rapidly within this recording interval, then the 3rd term above will be very small as compared to the first two terms. In this case
$$
I_{total} \approx I_1+I_2
$$
where ##I_i \propto \int_0^T |E_i(t)|^2 dt## with ##T## the measurement interval and ##i=1,2##.
 
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Shreyas Samudra said:
Why will it happen so that-two light sources such that the
''phase difference between the two vibrating sources changes
rapidly with time, we say that the two sources are incoherent and when
this happens the intensities just add up ''

assuming that the wave characteristics of light are significant
In day-to-day engineering terms we might loosely say that incoherent sources add on a power basis and coherent ones on a voltage basis. Actually, I am not sure about your definition of "incoherent", because it allows for the phase shift to be changing in a predictable manner. I would expect the term to refer to the case when the phase difference is randomly changing.
 
Thank you !
 

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