Lim inf/sup innequality question

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In summary, the given equation \liminf _{n->\infty} x_n+\limsup _{n->\infty} y_n\leq \limsup _{n->\infty} (x_n+y_n)\leq\limsup _{n->\infty} x_n+\limsup _{n->\infty} y_n is proven to be true by showing that the sum of the lim sup of two bounded subsequences is equal to the lim sup of their sum. This is based on the fundamental principle that the limit of a sum is equal to the sum of the limits. The proof involves considering x_r_n and y_r_n as subsequences of x_n and
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\liminf _{n->\infty} x_n+\limsup _{n->\infty} y_n\leq \limsup _{n->\infty} (x_n+y_n)\leq\limsup _{n->\infty} x_n+\limsup _{n->\infty} y_n\\
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proving the first part:
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\limsup _{n->\infty} (x_n+y_n)\leq\limsup _{n->\infty} x_n+\limsup _{n->\infty} y_n\\
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lim sup is the supremum of all the limits of the subsequences

this is true because of some law regarding the sum of two subsequences

correct??
 
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why this is true
x_n and y_n are bounded (as n->infinity)
lim sup x_n >=lim x_r_n
lim sup y_n >=lim y_r_n
lim sup x_n+lim sup y_n>=lim x_r_n+lim y_r_n=lim(x_r_n+y_r_n)
on what basis they get to lim(x_r_n+y_r_n) from sum of limits??

and then
lim(x_r_n+y_r_n)=limsup(x_n +y_n)
how they got to this conclusion??
 
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whats the theory behind these operations
??
 
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transgalactic said:
why this is true
x_n and y_n are bounded (as n->infinity)
lim sup x_n >=lim x_r_n
lim sup y_n >=lim y_r_n
lim sup x_n+lim sup y_n>=lim x_r_n+lim y_r_n=lim(x_r_n+y_r_n)
on what basis they get to lim(x_r_n+y_r_n) from sum of limits??

Because (this has to be one of the first things you learned about limits), the sum of two limits is equal to the limit of the sum of their arguments (or whatever the thing inside the limit is called). It's a pretty straightforward proof that you should try to do if you haven't seen it.
and then
lim(x_r_n+y_r_n)=limsup(x_n +y_n)
how they got to this conclusion??

Considering you haven't told us what x_r_n is supposed to be, it's impossible to answer this
 
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x_r_n is a subsequence of x_n
y_r_n is a subsequence of y_n

lim(x_r_n+y_r_n)=limsup(x_n +y_n)
how they got to this conclusion??
 
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how to understand this last part?
 
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in the solution they say that
because (x_r_n +y_r_n) is convergent then it equals limsup(x_n +y_n)

so what that it is a convergent?
 
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why its true
 

Related to Lim inf/sup innequality question

What is the definition of the lim inf/sup inequality?

The lim inf/sup inequality is a mathematical concept that compares the lower and upper limits of a sequence of numbers. It states that the lim inf of a sequence is less than or equal to the lim sup of the same sequence.

How is the lim inf/sup inequality used in real-world applications?

The lim inf/sup inequality is commonly used in various fields of science and engineering, such as physics and economics, to analyze and predict the behavior of systems and processes. It is also used in the study of probability and statistics to determine the convergence of random variables.

What happens if the lim inf and lim sup of a sequence are equal?

If the lim inf and lim sup of a sequence are equal, then the sequence is said to be convergent, and its limit is equal to both the lim inf and lim sup. This means that the sequence has a well-defined limit and is approaching that limit from both the lower and upper bounds.

Can the lim inf/sup inequality be applied to infinite sequences?

Yes, the lim inf/sup inequality can be applied to infinite sequences, as long as the sequence is well-defined and has a finite or infinite limit. In such cases, the inequality still holds, and the lim inf will always be less than or equal to the lim sup.

How is the lim inf/sup inequality related to the concept of infimum and supremum?

The lim inf/sup inequality is closely related to the concepts of infimum and supremum. The lim inf is the infimum of the upper bounds of a sequence, while the lim sup is the supremum of the lower bounds of the same sequence. This means that the lim inf/sup inequality can also be written as infimum ≤ supremum.

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