Lim inf/sup innequality question

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The discussion revolves around the properties of limits, specifically the lim inf and lim sup of sequences, and their behavior under addition. Participants are examining the inequality involving the limits of the sums of two sequences, x_n and y_n, as n approaches infinity.

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  • Participants are questioning the validity of the inequality involving lim sup and lim inf, particularly how the limits of subsequences relate to the limits of the original sequences. There is a focus on understanding the transition from the sum of limits to the limit of sums.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the theoretical foundations of the operations involved. Some have provided insights into the properties of limits, while others are still exploring the implications of convergence and the definitions of subsequences.

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There is a mention of boundedness of the sequences as n approaches infinity, and the specific definitions of subsequences are being clarified. The lack of explicit definitions for certain terms, such as x_r_n, is noted as a barrier to deeper understanding.

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<br /> \liminf _{n-&gt;\infty} x_n+\limsup _{n-&gt;\infty} y_n\leq \limsup _{n-&gt;\infty} (x_n+y_n)\leq\limsup _{n-&gt;\infty} x_n+\limsup _{n-&gt;\infty} y_n\\<br />

proving the first part:
<br /> \limsup _{n-&gt;\infty} (x_n+y_n)\leq\limsup _{n-&gt;\infty} x_n+\limsup _{n-&gt;\infty} y_n\\<br />

lim sup is the supremum of all the limits of the subsequences

this is true because of some law regarding the sum of two subsequences

correct??
 
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why this is true
x_n and y_n are bounded (as n->infinity)
lim sup x_n >=lim x_r_n
lim sup y_n >=lim y_r_n
lim sup x_n+lim sup y_n>=lim x_r_n+lim y_r_n=lim(x_r_n+y_r_n)
on what basis they get to lim(x_r_n+y_r_n) from sum of limits??

and then
lim(x_r_n+y_r_n)=limsup(x_n +y_n)
how they got to this conclusion??
 
whats the theory behind these operations
??
 
transgalactic said:
why this is true
x_n and y_n are bounded (as n->infinity)
lim sup x_n >=lim x_r_n
lim sup y_n >=lim y_r_n
lim sup x_n+lim sup y_n>=lim x_r_n+lim y_r_n=lim(x_r_n+y_r_n)
on what basis they get to lim(x_r_n+y_r_n) from sum of limits??

Because (this has to be one of the first things you learned about limits), the sum of two limits is equal to the limit of the sum of their arguments (or whatever the thing inside the limit is called). It's a pretty straightforward proof that you should try to do if you haven't seen it.
and then
lim(x_r_n+y_r_n)=limsup(x_n +y_n)
how they got to this conclusion??

Considering you haven't told us what x_r_n is supposed to be, it's impossible to answer this
 
x_r_n is a subsequence of x_n
y_r_n is a subsequence of y_n

lim(x_r_n+y_r_n)=limsup(x_n +y_n)
how they got to this conclusion??
 
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how to understand this last part?
 
in the solution they say that
because (x_r_n +y_r_n) is convergent then it equals limsup(x_n +y_n)

so what that it is a convergent?
 
why its true
 

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