Limit from some russian book: lmt-0 [(1+mx)^n-(1+nx)^m]/x^2

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a limit involving binomial expressions as x approaches zero, specifically the limit of the expression \(\frac{(1+mx)^n-(1+nx)^m}{x^2}\) where m and n are natural numbers. Participants are exploring methods to approach this limit in the context of calculus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest using the binomial theorem to expand the expressions in the numerator. Others mention the possibility of applying L'Hospital's rule multiple times. There is also a discussion about the implications of expanding the binomial and what happens to the terms as x approaches zero.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to tackle the limit. Some participants have expressed uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches and the answers they have derived, indicating a lack of consensus on the solution. Guidance has been offered regarding the expansion of the binomials and the significance of coefficients in the limit evaluation.

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Participants are navigating the challenge of understanding the limit's behavior as x approaches zero, with some questioning the assumptions made in their approaches. There is an acknowledgment of the potential for confusion in the application of various mathematical techniques.

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limit from some russian book: lmt--0 [(1+mx)^n-(1+nx)^m]/x^2

Hey guys, I'm newbie in calculus, while doing a quick reading of my problem's book i find this interesting limit:

Homework Statement


solve the following limit when x tend to zero,
m and n belong to the set of naturals
[tex]\frac{(1+mx)^n-(1+nx)^m}{ x^2}[/tex]


Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


the anwser is (mn)(m-n)
i don't know how to solve the problem...








 
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mateloco said:
Hey guys, I'm newbie in calculus, while doing a quick reading of my problem's book i find this interesting limit:

Homework Statement


solve the following limit when x tend to zero,
m and n belong to the set of naturals
[tex]\frac{(1+mx)^n-(1+nx)^m}{ x^2}[/tex]


Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


the anwser is (mn)(m-n)
i don't know how to solve the problem...
The approach I would take would be to expand both binomials using the binomial theorem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_theorem.
 


or use L'Hospital's rule (twice).
also.. your answer isn't right.
 


qbert said:
or use L'Hospital's rule (twice).
also.. your answer isn't right.
I like your answer better than mine.
 


qbert said:
or use L'Hospital's rule (twice).
also.. your answer isn't right.
Exactly!
Before posting, I've tryed L'hopp, and i reached the following answer:
(mn)(m-n)(1/2)
Right?, but looking at the answer's section in the book, i realized that the answer given by the book is:
(mn)(m-n)

Warning! my silly idea:
expanding the binomial, and doing the substitution of all x, almost every term of the function will be zero, it doesn't matter the value of m and n, am i wrong? What do you think about it?
i appreciate all your comments and if you notice any mistakes in my writing (Sintax, grammar, etc.), let me know*(?), English is not my mother tongue, but I want to learn it.
 


When you expand with the binomial theorem, in the numerator, what is the coefficient of x? What happens when you divide that by x2 as x approaches zero?

EDIT: Also, your idea isn't silly. Most ideas aren't silly but some lead to silly conclusions when you realize that you didn't get anywhere. And some leave you feeling silly since you didn't follow them to completion. But the idea, well, that's just being a creative person.
 
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Tedjn said:
When you expand with the binomial theorem, in the numerator, what is the coefficient of x? What happens when you divide that by x2 as x approaches zero?

EDIT: Also, your idea isn't silly. Most ideas aren't silly but some lead to silly conclusions when you realize that you didn't get anywhere. And some leave you feeling silly since you didn't follow them to completion. But the idea, well, that's just being a creative person.

Very nice comment Tedjn! :cool:
 


Alex Spivak ? :)
 

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