Limit of trigonometric function

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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of the function y = (-2x)/(sinx) as x approaches 0. Participants explore various methods to evaluate this limit, particularly focusing on alternatives to L'Hopital's Theorem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of L'Hopital's Theorem and question how to approach the limit without it. There is mention of Taylor series expansion and the importance of the limit of sin(x)/x as x approaches 0. Some suggest geometric interpretations and inequalities related to the sine function.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with multiple approaches being explored. Participants have provided insights into different methods, including Taylor series and geometric arguments, but no consensus has been reached on a single method. Guidance has been offered regarding the foundational limit of sin(x)/x.

Contextual Notes

There is a reference to a solutions manual that skips steps, leading to questions about the methods used. Participants are navigating the constraints of homework rules and the need for clarity in problem-solving approaches.

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lim x --> 0 for function y = (-2x)/(sinx)

Using L'Hopital's Theorem, I found the derivative of the top and of the bottom and found the limit and got -2. How to find the limit as x approaches 0 without using L'Hopital's theorem. I know my solutions manual uses a different method, but I don't know what it is because they have skipped all those steps.
 
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needingtoknow said:

Homework Statement



lim x --> 0 for function y = (-2x)/(sinx)

Using L'Hopital's Theorem, I found the derivative of the top and of the bottom and found the limit and got -2. How to find the limit as x approaches 0 without using L'Hopital's theorem. I know my solutions manual uses a different method, but I don't know what it is because they have skipped all those steps.
If they skipped all the steps, how do you know that they did it differently from you? Is it possible that they expanded the denominator in a Taylor series about x = 0?

Chet
 
No matter how you solve this problem, you will effectively need to establish that
$$\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}\frac{\sin(x)}{x} = 1$$
There are many ways to do this, L'Hospital's rule being the simplest but not the most elementary.

If you know about Taylor series, then you can expand ##\sin(x)##, divide each term by ##x##, and take the limit. All terms except the first will go to zero.

There's also nice proof which uses a geometric (not 100% rigorous, but very intuitively convincing) argument to establish the following inequality, which is valid for all nonzero ##x \in [-\pi/2, \pi/2]##:
$$\cos(x) \leq \frac{\sin(x)}{x} \leq 1$$
The result then follows from the squeeze theorem. See the first answer at this StackExchange link to see the picture from which the inequality is inferred:

http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/75130/how-to-prove-that-lim-limits-x-to0-frac-sin-xx-1
 
The simplest way (the first week of Calc 1) to solve this problem is to note that (-2x)/sin(x) =-2/(sin(x)/x) then solve the problem using standard limit rules.
 
Thank you all for posting. I ended up using shortbus_bully's method because he was right it was the simplest way to solve the problem!
 

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