Limiting Deviation: Norms, Symbols & Names

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The discussion highlights concerns over the lack of international norms for specifying maximum errors in measurement instruments, particularly in contrast to standard deviation methods. The preference for maximum error specifications is rooted in their practicality and ease of use, especially when dealing with non-Gaussian error distributions. The author notes a gap in available symbols and standards, specifically mentioning the German symbol "G" for maximum error. Questions raised include the existence of international norms for declaring maximum errors and the appropriate terminology used in the field. The conversation suggests that advanced statistical methods like Measurement Systems Analysis (MSA) may be beneficial for assessing complex instruments.

How should instrumentsl errors be specified?

  • Maximum error

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  • Standard deviations

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  • Some combination of the above

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I am very much disturbed after my research of measurement errors and corresponding norms, because I find so few results. There are mainly two ways to specify errors of measurement instruments. Standard deviation with its siblings and maximum error.

I am a great fan of the old German tradition to specify maximum errors only for measurement instruments. Specifying that some piece of equipment will have an error below x for all practical purposes when operated under the specified conditions is much easier to do quantitatively than statistical deviations and errors that depend on the measurement value and environmental fluctuations. Because in most cases the errors are far from being Gaussian. So you just add add all relevant maximum errors and don't care about independence.

But I couldn't find any norms about it. The relevant German ones don't have corresponding ISO norms. I couldn't even find a symbol for it. The German symbol is G for "Grenze" or "Fehlergrenze". I only get "uncertainties" and a number of k sigmas.

So after so much complaining my questions:
- Is there an international norm regarding the declaration of maximum errors.
- What symbol do you use for "maximum error" or "limiting deviation"
- If you have a better name for this and what do you call it? What is it called in your Physics books?
 
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Generally speaking I would say "it depends." I've usually seen the "maximum accuracy error" specification as you've mentioned, usually defined in a +/- percentage value (example here: Honeywell Model 31 Force Transducer).

When qualifying the performance of a complex instrument or process, it might be prudent to use more advanced statistical methods e.g. Measurement Systems Analysis (MSA): https://www.moresteam.com/toolbox/measurement-system-analysis.cfm

Gold standard MSA books: https://www.aiag.org/source/Orders/index.cfm?search=MSA-4
 
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